Infernus, Tyrant of the Damned - Change suggestion

[FDL]

I guess you weren't around in the GB T4 Dakrath days.

The whole 4 days that deck was good?

Seriously, once the novelty wore off, people realized the deck could be out-tempoed and even straight out raced (that's not counting Tidal Wave and Victor and other decks that don't really care about how big your threats are).

And Infernus was played in some of those decks. Immunity to fire is surely relevant, but I doubt it would send him over the top.

[mrs choo]

You only have 4 Supernovas in the deck and with gravebone you can play Nova, then return an ally to play, so you don't need it to be immune today fire.

I understand that Super Nova is one of the major mage cards and has to be considered BUT my intention is not to make a nova-proof ally but a Furion Terror proof one...

Perhaps "can't be damaged by fire dmg less than 4" or 5... Mhhhh?

[bobrossw]

The whole 4 days that deck was good?

Seriously, once the novelty wore off, people realized the deck could be out-tempoed and even straight out raced (that's not counting Tidal Wave and Victor and other decks that don't really care about how big your threats are).

And Infernus was played in some of those decks. Immunity to fire is surely relevant, but I doubt it would send him over the top.

yup - but the lesson is that the potential cost of any shadow ally is 4 SE in Gravebone's hands, so when considering balance it's not just about how it will affect the game T7, but also how it will affect the game as a combo on T4 or 5. We can make a 12cc shadow ally that seems balanced - maybe just auto-wins the game, which would be fair considering the cost...except that GB could consistently play it T4.

[oggtheman]

yup - but the lesson is that the potential cost of any shadow ally is 4 SE in Gravebone's hands, so when considering balance it's not just about how it will affect the game T7, but also how it will affect the game as a combo on T4 or 5. We can make a 12cc shadow ally that seems balanced - maybe just auto-wins the game, which would be fair considering the cost...except that GB could consistently play it T4.

Yeah, but that would be easy to balance. You'd just change it from: "when this card enters play, win the game" to "when this card is summoned, win the game"

[Lahiri]

yup - but the lesson is that the potential cost of any shadow ally is 4 SE in Gravebone's hands, so when considering balance it's not just about how it will affect the game T7, but also how it will affect the game as a combo on T4 or 5. We can make a 12cc shadow ally that seems balanced - maybe just auto-wins the game, which would be fair considering the cost...except that GB could consistently play it T4.

Ok but we're talking about Infernus, a weak card.
A 6cc ally has to be good, Aeon and Viska are better than Infernus even with the fire immunity.

[bobrossw]

Yeah, but that would be easy to balance. You'd just change it from: "when this card enters play, win the game" to "when this card is summoned, win the game"

fair enough - I don't think I'd object to adding a small on-summon ability to Infernus.

[jayceemp]

I don't think it would be op at all. Even immune to fire, I don't know if I will play him in any deck outside of GB. I might not even play him in GB. Like Lahiri said a 6cc ally should be good like viska and aeon. most human decks run either viska, aeon, or both. I don't think we will see many shadow decks running infernus even with the buff. imo i think we need a 6cc shadow ally that's worth adding to any decks. current ones are good, but not on the same level as viska and aeon. Hopefully we will see one next set.

[oggtheman]

I think we want this being used in raikka. Anything that buffs both Is cool

[mrs choo]

Thanks for all the participation so far. great!

btw. does anyone happen to know when the beta ends?

[Melph]

Why don't he increase all fire damage by 1 like on allies and heroes.