(In Progress) Guild War Z: An AA1 Tournament (Challenges Thread)

**Rayzie** · 07-31-2013, 06:38 AM

At raph: although rule changes during tournaments should generally be discouraged, extensions are given all the time because disqualification is always the least desirable outcome.

In this case, I don't even think it would be an extension. Just sensible.

**Raphael Majere** · 07-31-2013, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Rayzie

At raph: although rule changes during tournaments should generally be discouraged, extensions are given all the time because disqualification is always the least desirable outcome

Agreed depending on circumstances and up to the 3 parties involved, the TO, and the 2 players.

However, the bayfighter case is different from an extension because he was not sharp to keep up with the specific intricacy for this particular window, while stalker was sharp enough to spot it.

**Deja Vu** · 07-31-2013, 06:43 AM

I love the drama and all but I think this has gotten silly a bit now. Hope it ends here.

As for Bayfighter's condition, in normal circumstances, the ruling would be that he is dead. However, he sent me a PM prior to the deadline and asked me about the current alive players in order to issue one of them a challenge (Post #2 wasn't up to date). Unfortunately, due to previously-mentioned RL events, I couldn't reply to him before the deadline. I felt that eliminating him from the tournament due a TO fuck-up would be extremely harsh. Therefore, I've made an exception and granted him a one-day extension.

I'm pretty sure you will understand my position here.

**Raphael Majere** · 07-31-2013, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Deja Vu

As for Bayfighter's condition, in normal circumstances, the ruling would be that he is dead. However, he sent me a PM prior to the deadline and asked me about the current alive players in order to issue one of them a challenge (Post #2 wasn't up to date). Unfortunately, due to previously-mentioned RL events, I couldn't reply to him before the deadline. I felt that eliminating him from the tournament due a TO fuck-up would be extremely harsh. Therefore, I've made an exception and granted him a one-day extension.

I'm pretty sure you will understand my position here.

Acknowledging TO fuck up.

**TheSt4lker** · 07-31-2013, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Deja Vu

I love the drama and all but I think this has gotten silly a bit now. Hope it ends here.

As for Bayfighter's condition, in normal circumstances, the ruling would be that he is dead. However, he sent me a PM prior to the deadline and asked me about the current alive players in order to issue one of them a challenge (Post #2 wasn't up to date). Unfortunately, due to previously-mentioned RL events, I couldn't reply to him before the deadline. I felt that eliminating him from the tournament due a TO fuck-up would be extremely harsh. Therefore, I've made an exception and granted him a one-day extension.

I'm pretty sure you will understand my position here.

Hey Deja

Thanks for filling in the missing information we weren't aware off.

I just have one question. Would you answering Bayfigher in a timely manner have made a difference?

What I mean is, if you had pm'd him that he had a valid opponent in emi in the specific window that he did, before the deadline, would that have altered the fact that he didn't challenge emi? I'm just trying to clarify here, because I'm not seeing (and maybe there is something I am missing) what difference giving him that answer before the deadline, versus after the deadline, would have made. Either way he didn't challenge...

Sorry if this is getting annoying, I'm just trying to clarify

**BDK16** · 07-31-2013, 06:49 AM

Sending him that pm would've probably notified Bay that he could challenge Emi. Most of the pm's I receive I check through e-mail notifications.

**Raphael Majere** · 07-31-2013, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by BDK16

Sending him that pm would've probably notified Bay that he could challenge Emi. Most of the pm's I receive I check through e-mail notifications.

As TO?

**TheSt4lker** · 07-31-2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by BDK16

Sending him that pm would've probably notified Bay that he could challenge Emi. Most of the pm's I receive I check through e-mail notifications.

Well, we dont know when bayfigher asked déjà

**Deja Vu** · 07-31-2013, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheSt4lker

Hey Deja

Thanks for filling in the missing information we weren't aware off.

I just have one question. Would you answering Bayfigher in a timely manner have made a difference?

What I mean is, if you had pm'd him that he had a valid opponent in emi in the specific window that he did, before the deadline, would that have altered the fact that he didn't challenge emi? I'm just trying to clarify here, because I'm not seeing (and maybe there is something I am missing) what difference giving him that answer before the deadline, versus after the deadline, would have made. Either way he didn't challenge...

Sorry if this is getting annoying, I'm just trying to clarify

I'm not exactly sure what your point is tbh. I can say this, though: Had I replied to Bayfighter on time, he would have challenged Emigor. Also, had I updated post #2 beforehand, he wouldn't have needed to PM me.

It's also noteworthy that this was not the 1st time I granted an extension to a player in this tourney. Had I gone by the book, Bayfighter would be dead and I would have declined one of your teammates' request for an extension. That's just an FYI for all the players here, it's not aimed specifically at you.

**TheSt4lker** · 07-31-2013, 07:19 AM

Again, thanks for clarifying, the issue is now clear.

None of us where aware you had granted an extension, as is your right to do if the player pm's you with sufficient notice.