(In Progress) Guild War Z: An AA1 Tournament (Challenges Thread)

[Rayzie]

Stalker, it's actually the exact same logic. He has to wait, then an opportunity appears, which he doesn't promptly take, and he is then held accountable for missing it, even though its a very narrow window. I made it an extreme example so you could follow it, but apparently it's lost on you.

I can't imagine Bayfighter wanting to come over but if a few people were disgusted by your lack of sportsmanship and left BP, that wouldn't shock me at all.

Maybe you should try taking off your lawyer hat and replacing it with whatever hat someone wears when they actually trust their guild to be competitive within the spirit of the event. If I were one of the remaining BP I'd be offended that you kept trying to give me free wins.

[TheSt4lker]

Stalker, it's actually the exact same logic. He has to wait, then an opportunity appears, which he doesn't promptly take, and he is then held accountable for missing it, even though its a very narrow window. I made it an extreme example so you could follow it, but apparently it's lost on you.

I can't imagine Bayfighter wanting to come over but if a few people were disgusted by your lack of sportsmanship and left BP, that wouldn't shock me at all.

Maybe you should try taking off your lawyer hat and replacing it with whatever hat someone wears when they actually trust their guild to be competitive within the spirit of the event. If I were one of the remaining BP I'd be offended that you kept trying to give me free wins.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to be insulting and make this personal, especially as your guild is not directly invovled. I have attempted to maintain a friendly, and even joking atmosphere, obviously the quip about bayfigher joining TJ was a joke.

You have implied that my actions disgust you, you have accused me of a lack of sportsmanship, and you have accused me of not trusting my guild. All on a matter that doesn't even directly involve you or your guild. I would politely ask you to stop insulting my character.

I'm sorry that Bayushi made a mistake posting his save, and that the rules subsequently had to be clarified. That I had to "put on my lawyer hat" to do so was simply because the situation was complex, and it was plain that the rules were not being understood. The easiest way to make them understood was to lay them out in a timeline, and make specific reference to the rules.

Character assassination is ugly. I hope the ugliness stops.

[Raphael Majere]

Stalker, it's actually the exact same logic. He has to wait, then an opportunity appears, which he doesn't promptly take, and he is then held accountable for missing it, even though its a very narrow window. I made it an extreme example so you could follow it, but apparently it's lost on you.

You could use your logic to argue that if someone has no target available for over 5 days, that person could be disqualified instantly as soon as one becomes available.

It's implied that the player who had no opponent for 5 days and suddenly as soon as one player becomes available; he must challenge this 'suddenly available' player, regardless if the MU was good for the him or otherwise.

So, then we can spam save attempts as much as we want to make sure that others are excluded so that their real world lives may affect the game, especially via stalling from other players? That seems somewhat against the spirit of the rules. Because, if the TO were to make a ruling that was against your side, then you can claim bias or call schenanigans or some BS because "he didn't follow the letter of the law" when he himself admitted it was probably not written the way he wanted.

Example I would question then:

At the beginning of the tournament there were 5 teams of 5. Suppose that on day 5, no matches had been played and there were all 12 possible matches made, leaving 1 player behind. With no valid target due to him being "odd man out", he goes to sleep/work for a period of 8 hours, which end day 5 without him being able to check forum time while indisposed. If a match were to end before day 5 forum time ends, and he isn't able to make the challenge, or is 1 minute late according to forum time, is he DQ'ed? Because according to your rules he would be, and I believe that exceptions were at one point made for this sort of accommodation.

Stop rule-sharking the tournament and just play. Oh wait, you can't you're on the sidelines.

Sorry, I am not familiar with you. Sure, spectators can shout and cheer at the referee and players.

Speaking generally regarding tournaments:

I will just mention that it's a very bad idea to change rules in the middle of tournament. If there are any disputes with the rules, resolve them BEFORE the tournament. Once the tournament has started, everyone should follow them. The idea is fairly simple; any change in rules in the middle of a tournament is a bad idea (Clarifications are ok), simply because any change in rules is bound to offend one party or another. No one will be completely happy. Can't please everyone, and thus sticking to original rules is definitely better and highly recommended and should be enforced.

(For example, last year's WC Swiss round, minor edits to points/rules created some mayhem.)

[BetrayalFender]

It's implied that the player who had no opponent for 5 days and suddenly as soon as one player becomes available; he must challenge this 'suddenly available' player, regardless if the MU was good for the him or otherwise.

Hey, no, yeah thanks for ignoring the question entirely. but seriously. What happens in that situation? If I have to wait 4.9 days for an opponent to magically appear from a match, but fall asleep for the final 0.1 part of the 5 days, while a match finishes in that period of time, I'm disqualified? Because, again, THat's what's what's basically being implied. Which is a bunch of crap.

STALKER:
The lack of sportsmanship comes from your feeble attempt at rule-sharking, which is embarrassing. Regardless of you being in the right or Wrong of the moment, the fact that you won't accept that real life happens. Just because it coincides with his normal game-time doesn't mean he's available the second someone comes off their match.

[Rayzie]

The rule was made to stop people sitting around doing nothing because the last guild wars took so long with everyone waiting. The 'implication' being that if you have 5 days to pick a battle and you don't take them, you're inactive and will be disqualified.

My guild is involved in this tournament, and as we are a competitive guild heavily involved in the tournament scene both through hosting and participating, we have a vested interest in ensuring that tournaments are conducted in a fair manner.

As for my 'character assassination', I think a more appropriate term would be 'character suicide'. I thought Warriors of the Blue Phoenix was meant to be a reformed guild, but apparently there's still a few of you that are Dark Assassins deep down.

[TheSt4lker]

Hey, no, yeah thanks for ignoring the question entirely. but seriously. What happens in that situation? If I have to wait 4.9 days for an opponent to magically appear from a match, but fall asleep for the final 0.1 part of the 5 days, while a match finishes in that period of time, I'm disqualified? Because, again, THat's what's what's basically being implied. Which is a bunch of crap.

The lack of sportsmanship comes from your feeble attempt at rule-sharking, which is embarrassing. Regardless of you being in the right or Wrong of the moment, the fact that you won't accept that real life happens. Just because it coincides with his normal game-time doesn't mean he's available the second someone comes off their match.

Just change your name to theRul3sh4rk and admit what you are.

Hi betrayal

If you take the time to read through the entire thread (ya, I know it's long, but if you want to comment it's only "polite") you will see your hypothetical situation actually happened, was dealt with fairly, and was referenced by me. Thanks for supporting guild wars, nice to know you care

[TheSt4lker]

The rule was made to stop people sitting around doing nothing because the last guild wars took so long with everyone waiting. The 'implication' being that if you have 5 days to pick a battle and you don't take them, you're inactive and will be disqualified.

My guild is involved in this tournament, and as we are a competitive guild heavily involved in the tournament scene both through hosting and participating, we have a vested interest in ensuring that tournaments are conducted in a fair manner.

As for my 'character assassination', I think a more appropriate term would be 'character suicide'. I thought Warriors of the Blue Phoenix was meant to be a reformed guild, but apparently there's still a few of you that are Dark Assassins deep down.

Thanks Rayzie, I appreciate the apology for the character assas.... Oh wait... More insults...

[Raphael Majere]

As for my 'character assassination', I think a more appropriate term would be 'character suicide'. I thought Warriors of the Blue Phoenix was meant to be a reformed guild, but apparently there's still a few of you that are Dark Assassins deep down.

I can't imagine Bayfighter wanting to come over but if a few people were disgusted by your lack of sportsmanship and left BP, that wouldn't shock me at all.

Just change your name to theRul3sh4rk and admit what you are.

Thanks Rayzie, I appreciate the apology for the character assas.... Oh wait... More insults...

Btw, is it true Is Bayfigher joining TJ when this is over????

I would like to suggest all parties to stay objective, and on the case and refrain from personal attacks.

[Rayzie]

For what it's worth stalker, if you ever find yourself in bayfighters position I will have your back 100%. Love ya bro.

[TheSt4lker]

For what it's worth stalker, if you ever find yourself in bayfighters position I will have your back 100%. Love ya bro.

Thanks, I really do appreciate that.

Although I still think I would be dead