(In Progress) Guild War Z: An AA1 Tournament (Challenges Thread)

[TheSt4lker]

I think next time save attempts should be independent of challenges. There's no real reason why they have to be free. If they die in the attempt, I can't see their opponent being too upset.

When I first glanced at the rules, until I went through them thoroughly, I was actually under the impression that anyone could save, regardless of other challenges...

But I quite like the way it is now, it forces a lot of strategic decision making as a team that would otherwise be absent, it forces you to work together more as a team, getting timing to matches right, posting saves timeously, etc. It makes it feel like guild wars, not just a bunch of mu's that count cumulatively. Plus these rules give me something to do even though I am dead

If it ever came down to a vote for future tournaments (geez, you can see who is alive and who is dead this tournament) I would vote for things to stay as they are, because it forces teamwork and team strategy, beyond just getting good mu's and winning games.

[luminosg]

Luminosg 2-0 TJ Nataku

I wasn't able to catch you in IRC afterwards, so I'm not sure what exactly happened that second match, so let me know if this is off.

[Rayzie]

If it ever came down to a vote for future tournaments (geez, you can see who is alive and who is dead this tournament) I would vote for things to stay as they are, because it forces teamwork and team strategy, beyond just getting good mu's and winning games.

Really? I've found it has promoted people using well intended rules to stall games, and people delaying their matchups (for the same reason). Any mechanic that results in a tournament dragging out longer is a bad mechanic.

[BDK16]

Really? I've found it has promoted people using well intended rules to stall games, and people delaying their matchups (for the same reason). Any mechanic that results in a tournament dragging out longer is a bad mechanic.

+1

[Deja Vu]

Such a complex format and set of rules always comes up with this kind of controversy.

Rayzie, I didn't take offense from your post - don't worry about it. Bottom line regarding the save mechanic is that if I have been removing a save option point for each "declare", none of the remaining guilds would have had any remaining points by now.

Also, due to the occurrence of unexpected events in RL, I won't have time to immediately reply to queries on this thread. I urge the players to PM me with their questions instead for a faster response. Sorry about the inconvenience.

[Bayushi]

Really? I've found it has promoted people using well intended rules to stall games, and people delaying their matchups (for the same reason). Any mechanic that results in a tournament dragging out longer is a bad mechanic.

+2.

I still have my objections but will refrain to post any further so as not to antagonize the tournament, TO, and the other players.

[Ballyworld]

I'm trying to sum up where things stand.

BP Tcsnider and I will play asap when he returns from vacation.
BP Emigor and TJ Bayushi will be playing with save of BP Kelala on the line.

Do I have this right?

[TheSt4lker]

BP has to regrettably point out that according to the rules of the tournament Bayfighter is dead. I'm going to put on my lawyer mode (which I'm not actually), because I find precision helps me thing

According to rule 1.
"Each player will have a time frame of 5 days to issue a challenge to an opposing participant. If a player fails to do so, they will be announced dead."

As per post #32 on this thread, the TO ruled that an exception could be made, and extension granted, if there are no available targets during the 5 day period.

Here is the sequence of events (all times quoted in GMT+0)

24/07 11:57pm Bayfighter reports a victory over SamuelJ
25/07 12:07am SamuelJ declares a save
27/07 9:38pm Emigor reports a victory over mongoosey
27/07 9:44pm Mongoosey declares a save
28/07 9:45pm Mongoosey's save expires, Emigor is now available to be challenged
29/07 5:50am Emigor declares save for Kelala (all previous saves being declared invalid), Emigor is now no longer available to be challenged
31/07 12:08am 6 days have passed since Bayfighter posted his victory, 5 days have passed since the save decleration by Mongoosey expired

As can be seen, Bayfighter had a window of over 8 hours, which coincided with his usual play times, in which to challenge Emigor. The exception to rule#1, as per post #32 therefore does not apply, and Bayfighter is unfortunately dead as per rule#1

[Raphael Majere]

BP has to regrettably point out that according to the rules of the tournament Bayfighter is dead. I'm going to put on my lawyer mode (which I'm not actually), because I find precision helps me thing

According to rule 1.
"Each player will have a time frame of 5 days to issue a challenge to an opposing participant. If a player fails to do so, they will be announced dead."

As per post #32 on this thread, the TO ruled that an exception could be made, and extension granted, if there are no available targets during the 5 day period.

Here is the sequence of events (all times quoted in GMT+0)

24/07 11:57pm Bayfighter reports a victory over SamuelJ
25/07 12:07am SamuelJ declares a save
27/07 9:38pm Emigor reports a victory over mongoosey
27/07 9:44pm Mongoosey declares a save
28/07 9:45pm Mongoosey's save expires, Emigor is now available to be challenged
29/07 5:50am Emigor declares save for Kelala (all previous saves being declared invalid), Emigor is now no longer available to be challenged
31/07 12:08am 6 days have passed since Bayfighter posted his victory, 5 days have passed since the save decleration by Mongoosey expired

As can be seen, Bayfighter had a window of over 8 hours, which coincided with his usual play times, in which to challenge Emigor. The exception to rule#1, as per post #32 therefore does not apply, and Bayfighter is unfortunately dead as per rule#1

Wow, are u a real stalker?

Well, All's fair in love and (guild) war. And your detailed explanation seems valid.

[luminosg]

As can be seen, Bayfighter had a window of over 8 hours, which coincided with his usual play times, in which to challenge Emigor. The exception to rule#1, as per post #32 therefore does not apply, and Bayfighter is unfortunately dead as per rule#1

Maybe, but it would be good to have the TO's perspective on this. The eight hours that he technically had was during the whole confusion about whether or not certain save attempts were valid, and emigor posted 3 separate times that he was saving. Only the third one was valid, which makes it tricky to figure out how much of a chance bayfighter actually had to get in on things.