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Hello!
I'm interested in playing a new deck: specifically, i want to play whichever deck wins the most in QM.
Forget creativity, gamesmanship, interesting combos, good art, new cards - there's only one criteria: which deck has the highest win rate?
I fully understand that lots of other factors are important (player skill, shifting meta, luck etc.) but let's just assume these are equal across all decks.
So - what do you think wins the most games?
imo Zaladar (probably Shard Rush)
That question is pretty much impossible to answer but I'll give you my personal experience:
For each Hero, I add my record with that Hero with my opponents' record with that Hero. Only Heroes involved in at least 10 non-mirror games are shown here.
Example: I'm 18-8 with Tala, but when facing Tala I'm 2-6, so the Tala player is 24-10 overall (70,6% winning percentage).
Rank Hero Win% # of games involved
1 Tala 70,6% 34
2 Lance 69,7% 33
3 Zhanna 62,5% 32
4 Moonstalker 61,9% 21
5 Baduruu 59,3% 27
6 Rothem 56,3% 16
7 Vess 51,3% 39
8 Gravebone 50,0% 20
9 Bloodfang 40,0% 10
10 Aramia 36,4% 11
11 Threbin 32,0% 25
12 Zaladar 31,6% 19 *
13 Garth 28,6% 14 *
14 Banebow 25,0% 12 *
*I haven't played a single game with these Heroes and I play decks that will beat them because they are quite prevalent.
A snapshot of my metagame in order to put these stats in perspective:
1 Zaladar 9,9%
2 Baduruu 8,3%
3 Garth 6,8%
4 Moonstalker 6,8%
5 Threbin 6,3%
6 Banebow 6,3%
7 Zhanna 4,7%
8 Praxix 4,7%
9 Bloodfang 4,7%
10 Tala 4,2%
11 Boris 3,6%
12 Gravebone 3,6%
13 Aramia 3,1%
14 Gwen 2,6%
15 Victor 2,6%
16 Jericho 2,6%
17 Vess 2,6%
18 Skervox 2,6%
19 Lance 2,1%
20 Majiya 2,1%
21 Elementalis 2,1%
22 Amber 1,6%
23 Loest 1,6%
24 Ythan 1,0%
25 Serena 1,0%
26 Logan 1,0%
27 Eladwen 0,5%
28 Ter 0,5%
29 Darkclaw 0,5%
30 Nishaven 0,0%
31 Rothem 0,0%
32 Raikka 0,0%
Note: these are a couple of weeks old, I'll update them when I get home.
Hmmm, that's tough. I agree probably Zal, maybe Victor. In my opinion the deck that wins the most is the one you play the best. :)
FDL - that looks compelling! I would not have picked Tala, Lance, Zhanna, Moonstalker, Baduruu, Rothem, and Vess to be the only ones to win more than 50% of games! No Zaladar or Victor?!
Not necessarily... I play my best with a Zaladar deck, but perhaps I would be even better with (say) Tala. Or whatever... Hence the question :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jtl2901
Keep in mind that these stats are heavily influenced by my deck choices and proficiency with a given Hero.Quote:
Originally Posted by trevorJacobs
Also, they come from a small sample.
Note: I only register games against opponents I think have a good deck, so games while climbing up the ladder are not in there - same for clearly experimental builds. Most games involve players rated 275 and above.
Cool - understood. Still, very compelling for TalaQuote:
Originally Posted by FDL
Anyone else think that Tala is the winner?
Could you provide more detail on the deck (not just ther hero?). Presumably it's Armoured Sandworm, Armoured Wisp... ?
I agree, lots of damage and fast, and with his ability and Mind Control he can clear the board easily, Zaladar op.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Ak
Nope. Haste based.Quote:
Originally Posted by trevorJacobs
I switched the Ritualists for Spirit Warden for those Undead decks.
With nearly 50 extra games:Quote:
Originally Posted by FDL
Example : I'm 24-8 as Tala, 3-6 against her. So in my games, the Tala player is 30-11 overall (73,2% winrate).
To be honest, I'm not sure it is an accurate way to assess a Hero's strength. The sample is still way too small, and there are many variables influencing the outcome of a match. There are also many contradictions: I'm 9-3 with Gravebone but 9-2 against him, which gives him a break even overall winrate. Which is a better indication of his true strenght? (Once again, I think the small sample plays a part here).Code:Rank Hero Win% #games
1 Tala_ 73,2% 41
2 Zhanna_ 65,9% 41
3 Lance_ 63,9% 36
4 MS_ 62,5% 24
5 Baduru_ 60,7% 28
6 Rothem_ 56,3% 16
7 Jerich_ 50,0% 20
8 Vess_ 48,8% 41
9 GB_ 47,8% 23
10 BloodF_ 40,0% 10
11 Aramia_ 33,3% 12
12 Threbi_ 32,0% 25
13 Zalada_ 31,8% 22
14 Garth_ 31,3% 16
15 Banebo_ 30,8% 13
16 Elem_ 30,8% 13
17 Praxix_ 10,0% 10
My metagame:
Code:1 Zaladar 9,5%
2 Baduruu 6,9%
3 MS 6,9%
4 Garth 6,5%
5 Banebow 5,6%
6 Zhanna 5,2%
7 Threbin 5,2%
8 GB 4,8%
9 Praxix 4,3%
10 BloodF 4,3%
11 Tala 3,9%
12 Gwen 3,9%
13 Boris 3,5%
14 Victor 3,0%
15 Aramia 3,0%
16 Elem 3,0%
17 Lance 2,6%
18 Vess 2,6%
19 Amber 2,2%
20 Jericho 2,2%
21 Skervox 2,2%
22 Loest 1,7%
23 Majiya 1,7%
24 Ythan 1,3%
25 Eladwen 0,9%
26 Serena 0,9%
27 Logan 0,9%
28 Ter 0,9%
29 DC 0,4%
30 Nish 0,0%
31 Rothem 0,0%
32 Raikka 0,0%
Impossible to answer. Personally my highest win rate is with Elementalis.
I play Jericho and I played 1 game so far with it and won so technically my best deck is Jericho with a WHOPPING 100% win rate
Sadly, the most effective deck I've ever seen all around is almost pure Moonstaller - Moonstalker relying on shadowfont, full moon, rain delay to keep opponents from actually attacking, evil ascendant, rabid bite, now you're mine, captured prey for control/elimination and Lone wolf/regeneration for life gain.
win comes from either running opponent out of cards (sped up with Bazzar) or with a Shadow Knight loop to keep one or more SK's in play at all times - usually once the end game has been established.
Easily the most un-enjoyable gaming experience you'll ever have, but effective if you want to spend 30-40 minutes on each game
to see a deck like this in action QM search "Augifm"
Impossible question is impossible.
FDL is doing a good job with numbers but you cant use them with any reliability. There are too many variables. The most obvious being he doesnt play with each hero so the win ratios become skewed. The ratioes arent even pulled from the same number of games. As meta shifts, so will those numbers as different heroes get more games and others dissappear. Say tala is the deck used to gather the information, there is no hard counter consideration in the numbers. Goes on and on. If you plan on playing the same deck as FDL use these numbers as a guide, otherwise its useless to any other deck/rank.
Find the class that fits your playstyle and build from there.
I agree. Zaladar is ridiculous right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by snipnigth