Also, normally it doesn't take this long. We've had once 2 weeks, but never as long as this.
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Also, normally it doesn't take this long. We've had once 2 weeks, but never as long as this.
You don't even state what you want with plain words:
Delay the rest of the versions until Apple decides to approve each and every version, and delay it for whatever reason, as they tend to do.
You made the choice to use Apple and their walled garden. Now you can see the consecuencies of doing so. I hope you are not expecting to delay the rest of the world because your platform of choise sucks! Be happy with your walled garden, delay in new versions is one of the direct consequences of requiring approval for each and every upgrade.
BTW, there are limits to what the in-app update can do. Apple is well knows for refusing to publish anything that can sidestep the requirement that they check each and every specific version. Enjoy your iOS platform! Now leave the rest alone already.
I already replied to you on post 37. Please dont double post, its annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
And another thing, some app developer on the other thread said it only takes 5 days to get everything approved if your doing everything right, which makes sense as I have had an update to an app, then a few days later anouther update due to some problem. So whats up with the 3 weeks?
Well, I find your whining annoying and I didn't say anything, did I?
You fail to acknowledge that you want to delay the rest because you cannot get it at the same time because of your own choice, and trying to claim some imagined privilege by damaging the rest of the players.
Whatever.
WTF ? Go learn english, even me understand what Pete said in his OP, and in the post 37 !!?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
Quit pretending to know what someone is asking for, when they obviously ask for something else.
Wulven sent the app but it's apple who doesn't approved it, I think this is all absurd. The problem is apple, send them hundreds off emails or do whatever you want. Wulven aren't the culprits.
If you don't like how apple works, don't support their products.
Following a "Go learn english" with an "Even me understand" its quite funny. I'm not native english spoken, what about you?
lol
Isn't that what you are asking for? To delay the rest of the versions? It was plain easy to understand that in your posts. Perhaps you want to magically have the iOS version without Apple approval...guess what, you can't have that. You gotta wait. The rest of the world doesn't.
Calm down, son. If you get in too many people's faces you could get a temp ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
The fact of the matter is...
50% iOS
50% Android,Browser/Facebook,PC Client..
iOS is the biggest player base of the game. It's easier to do a simultaneous release. It wouldn't even feel like waiting to the other platforms. It wouldn't be announce until after it was approved. (the smart thing to do) This would be a win situation as no one would feel screwed.
I have mixed views on the matter.
I primarily play this game on my iPod, and I understand Pete's frustration that the updates take forever to be approved. However, I don't think a simultaneous release is the answer to this problem. While a simultaneous release relieves tension, it is a superficial solution.
If they had used the simultaneous release alternative for 1.28, we would ALL be stuck with 1.27. Of course we wouldn't be thinking that we're stuck with 1.27 because we would not have been told that 1.28 has been developed, but that doesn't change the fact that none of us would be able to enjoy 1.28 (including non iOS users).
There's really no reason not to let non-iOS users enjoy their update as soon as possible, because delaying their update doesn't do anything for us iPod/iPad users. We can still play 1.27, and there is a large enough member base that getting into matches isn't really a problem.
I think us Apple products users should just have a more positive mentality, because even though it seems unfair, Wulven is trying their best and not harming us in anyway. Supporting every other platform doesn't play a negative impact on us, except perhaps psychologically.
I think the thing Wulven should do is take more time with each update. Instead of releasing an update every month or two (I'm only guessing here, I have no idea how often they release updates since I joined during 1.27), release a huge update every 2-3 months. This way, iOS users can actually enjoy each update for the most part. Right now, I'm not even sure if we'll be able to enjoy 1.28 for a few weeks before 1.29 comes out. Furthermore, by releasing bigger, less frequent updates, we'll be on the same version as other platforms for a larger percentage of the time!
Just my two cents!
In a perfect world, clients would be able to auto-update within the client by passing iTunes all together.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakkon
Obviously english isn't my native language (i though it was yours), and every old forum members know that it's shit (my english), :P, (that's the reason why i said "even i understand"). As long as they understand me, with time i'm improving it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
About your question, since english isn't easy to understand, i'll give you a hint :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Padawan Pete
Okay, here's the thing: SE is an online game with an online client. The iOS version is a downloadable game client, thus it must be updated.
The ideal situation is to have the app stream the game, like you would with a web browser on a pc. That way, you change what's on the game server and it changes everywhere without the need to download a new client. You don't even need an in-app download through the app store, you can bypass apple completely.
Based on the way Kyle replied to this thread may me wonder how comprehensive the current (1.28) in-app update work. It may just update as little as game bug/glitches fix, whereas new game rule, new ability or even new card may need the new client to download again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dndfreak
Obviously I more than happy to be prove otherwise.
We are still planning to go ahead with the "wait for Apple with synched updates on all platforms" route in the future...
About the auto updates, we do not have the ability to update game code on iOS through the in-game updater. We can only update resources and parsed scripts, so any new features in the game will require a full client update.
The thing that I find kind of funny is that Wulven initially said they will be doing synced releases but I'm assuming that this version was released early because of all those people complaining about having releases more often and not getting any updates for such a "long" time. Granted, Wulven probably didn't expect it to take this long to release the IOS update. We probably wouldn't have such an issue if it wasn't rejected in the first place.
As a player that uses all the platforms (web, PC, android, Ipad) to play the game (but most often IOS until recently), I don't really see an issue with a synced release just as long as we don't know it's already available on the other platforms.
Apple isn't only screwing his users, they're screwing all of us. Now that we are having quick new updates, we will have them delayed again because of apple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
F$CK APPLE!!
Going into week 4 is definitely a tipping point for many of us. There's really only so long that iOS users can wait for the update before it becomes stupid. We're being patient right now, but how long do you think it's fair for us to wait. Honestly, I was very addicted to this game a while ago, but I've been waiting so long that my interest is really starting to dimish. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here...
I'm sorta feeling the same. Went into 1.27 today and half my matches were against 70 card plus nish decks. I never thought I'd miss darkclaw.
I agree with your point of view, itunes on a countless number of excellent software, and why they can keep updated in a timely manner, while the exception of SE updates have been slow to keep up the pace?Quote:
Originally Posted by Padawan Pete
Guys post 56 answers my question. Thanks kyle. Thread closed. No need to continue on this one, official answer is acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
Sorry, one more question (I'm clearly not a coder :p) - what updates can you make with resources and parsed scripts?
That really sucks for the rest of the platforms.... It will certainly make me rethink about continuing to spend money on this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
It really sucks for Apple users to be a month behind. I share the same sentiments from the OP and am happy with the official reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
That being said, I'm sure this will be a one off and systems can be implemented and lessons can be learnt for future updates.
Apple users are a month behind because their platform sucks: each and every version of the app must be blessed by apple. No other platform has the same issue (unless the game is ported to winphone). They are not ready for a rapid release rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve99
Bad mistake from Wulven's part to delay the rest until apple approves. Deployments of new versions should be done in a staged way to find out about problems, and if they decide to follow Apple's slow pace for updating, they will decrease the release rate immensely for the complete game. It sucks when people, instead of trying to make things better for themselves, they try to make them worse for the rest like you guys did here.
How will you know you are being made to wait?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
Right, check this example. It assumes it takes 40 days to complete an update from Wulven's POV, and 30 days for Apple to approve:
CURRENTLY:
Next update ready:
Day 1: Release and submit everywhere.
Day 2: Everyone except apple gets the new version.
Day 30: Apple gets the new version.
Day 40: Update Finished.
Day 41: Release and submit everywhere.
Day 42: Everyone except apple gets the new version.
Time in between versions for everyone = 40 days, except apple are always behind.
THE NEW WAY:
Next update ready:
Day 1: Submit To Apple.
Day 31: Everyone gets the new version.
Day 40: Update Finished.
Day 41: Submit to Apple.
Day 71: Everyone gets the new version.
Time in between versions for everyone = 40 days, and no-one is behind.
You are incorrectly assuming that Wulven stop everything until Apple approve the update. You do realise they continue working in the background yes?
Only the first release is delayed. After that, the time between releases is a constant.
Now stop moaning.
Nice moderation, "stop moaning". I'm a paying customer just like the rest, so I expected to be able to express myself here.
You don't seem to be aware of project planning and the "Critical path" concept. If you add a task to the critical path for all versions, it unnecessarily delays tasks that wouldn't be affected otherwise.
In the first example, everybody (except iOS users) gets the new version when its ready. Apple users get it 30 days after that.
In the new scheme, everybody needs to wait an extra 30 days (or whatever they decide to take) to get a new version AFTER ITS READY, just to appease iOS and their substandard software policy.
Hey, its your game and your call. But don't expect everyone to be happy. Personally, if Wulven starts playing favorites with iOS, I'll just vote with my feet.
Force of will, please refer to my post on OS 1.28 thread that I just posted to continue this discussion so they can lock the thread as requested by post #62
Thanks. I aim to please.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceOfWill
You are missing the point, and blindly assuming you are correct in your assumption.
Again, if you are so sure, lay out a time line, and map the time it takes in between version releases. As long as Apple's approval process is shorter than the time it takes to develop the release, you will only ever be waiting the time it takes to develop the release.
Your claims of having to wait longer between versions are wrong, and if you could step back and analyse your argument, you would see that.
The only thing that increases is the time between the version being ready, and it being available. However, as that delay remains a constant, after the first release, the time between versions back to what it was.
At least go and look at it logically.
Good point. I hate discussing things twice.... We are off topic here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve99
Please continue all debate over here instead:
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....OS-1.28-Update