Shattered Fates Poor Art Quality

Please redo cards like Exaltation, reverberate, and frying pan, I'm sure there's others too. When compared to cards like Griptooth, the standard has totally dropped and shadow eras quality has been compromised! Please do not ruin this game, as I am writing this not to bash anyone but to push them to do better work and maintain Shadow Eras High Standard.

I understand you guys were pressed for art to be completed, but id rather wait 2 years for amazing art, than to get low quality art fast :/ I say low quality in comparison to the greater masterpieces in the game. I understand, not everything will be a masterpiece, but there's still art that can maintain a simple look but look like a professional created it. There's sketch work that looks amazing. Please review the art and don't mess the game up.

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Originally Posted by Capo 9

Please redo cards like Exaltation, reverberate, and frying pan, I'm sure there's others too. When compared to cards like Griptooth, the standard has totally dropped and shadow eras quality has been compromised! Please do not ruin this game, as I am writing this not to bash anyone but to push them to do better work and maintain Shadow Eras High Standard.

I understand you guys were pressed for art to be completed, but id rather wait 2 years for amazing art, than to get low quality art fast :/ I say low quality in comparison to the greater masterpieces in the game. I understand, not everything will be a masterpiece, but there's still art that can maintain a simple look but look like a professional created it. There's sketch work that looks amazing. Please review the art and don't mess the game up.

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Not every card needs to be amazing. Suggesting to take 2 years just for the art is crazy stuff.

Not every card should look amazing, but you can still maintain professional work. Exaltation and Frying Pan looks like something a high school art student made---just my honest feedback.

Yeah, a year of beta waiting for art is already unacceptable. If you have something to show for then go ahead and help Wulven. Critiquing other peoples work is always easy.

2 Years was just an exaggeration really. But honestly my patience would run that deep for a good looking game. What's disappointing is we wait a year and then get poor art. Frying Pan looks like middle school art work, honestly and I say this not to insult but just to be straight up. Shawn, iv seen much better work. Guardian of Unaxio like pretty good.

Criticizing others peoples work is necessary at times. I mean really it just depends what standard you guys have. You'd never see something like that in a Magic game. I'm not trying to bash anyone, I just expected better. Shadow Eras description even promises beautiful art. I'm sure someone with an artistic sense can agree. Iv been playing the game since before Call of the Crystals, I expected the games art to be consistent or get better, not worse. Poor art is just a turn off to me. Magics art is awesome, Hearthstone is awesome. I really hope Wulven gets it together :/

I agree, the art for Frying Pan is atrocious; without a doubt the ugliest piece in the bunch. Exaltation is passable...

I guess wulven was really desperate. Hopefully, they will have learnt from their mistakes in time for the next expansion.

Frying Pan was never meant to be that zoomed in, you are seeing less than 20% of the original image. If you zoom in art to such extreme levels of course it's going to be lower quality.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...rt-d84org0.jpg

This is the complete image.

Also if you have some constructive feedback I'd be glad to take it on board.

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Originally Posted by Capo 9

Not every card should look amazing, but you can still maintain professional work. Exaltation and Frying Pan looks like something a high school art student made---just my honest feedback.

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What you think most mtg cards look like?

That poll I made is flawed. My desire is not for every card to look amazing, but to look professional :/

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Originally Posted by Preybird

Frying Pan was never meant to be that zoomed in, you are seeing less than 20% of the original image. If you zoom in art to such extreme levels of course it's going to be lower quality.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...rt-d84org0.jpg

This is the complete image.

Also if you have some constructive feedback I'd be glad to take it on board.

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Prey bird you did great without a doubt here's to every other cry baby: you don't like it freaking draw your own art and submit it to Wulven if not don't complain you didn't put any effort in you have no right to hash on the artist

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Originally Posted by Preybird

Frying Pan was never meant to be that zoomed in, you are seeing less than 20% of the original image. If you zoom in art to such extreme levels of course it's going to be lower quality.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...rt-d84org0.jpg

This is the complete image.

Also if you have some constructive feedback I'd be glad to take it on board.

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It looks good Prey Bird. It just doesn't meet a high standard for a video game. It's not about zooming in, look at the guys face, the girls body and face, and just the whole thing, do you think Wizard would accept that? Or would hearthstone accept that art for their game? I guess it just looks like an old xbox game or something. I don't know how to explain it, any artist knows when his artwork meets the standard that is seen in comic books, game concept art etc. It's just not top notch for a game. It's great art, but it's not good enough for a high quality game like Shadow Era. But honestly Guardian of Unaxio looked pretty good man. Understand that there's different levels of skill. You have great potential but you must maintain a high standard when completing work. I'm sure you'll get better, just keep reaching for excellence. The guy who made Griptooth is an amazing artist.

As someone who's invested time and money on this game, I'm just expressing my disappointment. It not about crying, it's just a Review. Anyone with an art sense and who wants to maintain a high standard for shadow era would know what I'm talking about. It's not about bashing, I'm not trying to insult Prey Bird. I grew up drawing an appreciating art, so I have a sense for such things. Don't take it personal, just compare apples to apples and well if my standard is too high then ok.

There's some pretty ropey art in Call of the Crystals.

Having said that, we are getting the best stuff we can and Kyle has a good eye for art and will not take anything below his standards. It's why we still have some placeholders.

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Originally Posted by Gondorian

There's some pretty ropey art in Call of the Crystals.

Having said that, we are getting the best stuff we can and Kyle has a good eye for art and will not take anything below his standards. It's why we still have some placeholders.

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I understand and know about the poor art in Call of the Crystals. But you pretty much summed it up in your comment, "We are getting the best stuff we can". I recognize your budget is just not like that of Wizard or Blizzard. I don't know man, I don't see myself investing any more money in this game now thou, if that's where the standard is. I guess it's just one of my pet peaves. I'll still play thou. I like the game, I love it actually but man...But maybe I'll just lower my standard, I don't know...

I suppose if you place that artwork in the game as it is (zoomed out) then it wouldn't be that bad. It's decent. The face for exaltation needs to be redone thou etc.

viska and abomination ally is not only bad, they are ugly and disgusting
Bloodfang art is horrible

No I disagree, blood fang looks professional and pretty sick actually. Viska looks pretty good as anime style art. I have a good sense as an artist at heart, I used to love drawing and I still love games and comics.

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Originally Posted by Leviosablade

Prey bird you did great without a doubt here's to every other cry baby: you don't like it freaking draw your own art and submit it to Wulven if not don't complain you didn't put any effort in you have no right to hash on the artist

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Everything in this world is subject to scrutinization. And as a paying customer I have every right to criticize. I'm so sick of having to inform people that this is a discussion forum and people are encouraged to voice their opinions. Using the standard "you weren't involved and you can't do better so you can't criticize" argument is pathetic and childish.

Don't let your predetermined affection cloud your judgment.

@preybird: the art is in many ways good, and I'm sure you put a lot of effort into, but it's just way below the standard set by CotC cards like Aeon and Jasmine. Compare it to your art for Reactorary (one of my favourite pieces for the SF expansion).

The overall standard for SF is still high, in my opinion. How many "bad" ones have been listed so far?

I really like all art in SE. I think all the art is top standard, I just dont like the style. Shadow era art is its own style , I just think some art looks semi cartoonish like hs

Frying Pan, Exaltation,

Desperate Tactics has the guy with a weird looking face, but it looks pretty high def still.
Oliver Fagins hat looks weird.
Most of those elementalist cards look iffy, like they just don't fit in---like Reverberate. Reactorary looks good thou, pretty cool actually. I can see Shawn's art style, it's different, but at times it just doesn't turn out that good for a high quality game. Wave collapse looks pretty cool. Some of them are pretty cool.
Cutlass is bad too.

That's all I can see so far. Those are the cards I think need to be redone.

Note: Actually Reactory looks really really cool! Great work Prey!

I am sure if you look you can find a lot of variety in art quality in all sets.

The artwork used by SE is done by so many artists of various different styles. Compare Aeon to Katrin. Compare Shadow Knight to Hellsteed. Compare Wulven Savage to Furrion Terror. So of course there will be huge staggering differences in the appearance. Not to mention each of them has a different proccess and tools of choice, so results will vary. Also if you look at the artist credits on CotC cards, many of them are done by the same few artists (Mostly Kitt Lapena), hence the mass consistency among the style.

Now I do have to agree, although Frying Pan in its entirety is a good and hilarious piece of art, it doesn't feel like it fits into the game.

As for all of the Elemental cards done by Preybird in SF I think can work as they are much like the theme Elemental cards back in CotC had. Not the exact same style, but is very reminiscent of it. I do think the Shocking Grasp, the Stardust Brothers, and Reactory are a slight cut above the others.

Now as for Viska, I personally hate it as I feel it looks quite a bit awkward. I personally might switch Pithing Spear and Viska's artwork. Maybe a slight name change is due as she wouldn't look like a "scarlet blade". A warrior more in the lines of Eriss, but more primitive in appearance IMO would of been a better fit. Always imagined Viska as a Red Sonya type of character.

As for Bloodfang, I feel it doesn't have really that "leader of a pack" feel. CotC Darkclaw also suffers from this issue too IMO, but too late for that part anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kaos Dark

As for Bloodfang, I feel it doesn't have really that "leader of a pack" feel. CotC Darkclaw also suffers from this issue too IMO, but too late for that part anyway.

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Now that you mention it. Isn't Bloodfang just a beefier Darkclaw?

Dark Claw is a chill kind of Leader, the prince of the pact, he isn't beefy, he isn't armored, he just lays back and calls the shots, and gifts 3 cards! Lol!
Actually I noticed the same thing about Viska, I did expect it to be more epic and close and personal like Jasmin. Pithing Spear definitely fits the Viska card better.

Note: Actually Viskas face is the only thing that needs to be redone, not enough emotion. Looks lonely, like she's ready to fight the dust in the air lol.

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Originally Posted by Leviosablade

Prey bird you did great without a doubt here's to every other cry baby: you don't like it freaking draw your own art and submit it to Wulven if not don't complain you didn't put any effort in you have no right to hash on the artist

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No-one is "hashing on the artist". As Wulven's customers, we have every right to ask for a better quality product if it's not up to standard because at the end of the day, if we're not happy with the product we won't buy it.

Also your argument is ridiculous.
- "You think David Beckham missed an easy goal? Why aren't YOU playing for England!"
- "You think Hitler was a bad dictator? How about YOU try to lead post-war Germany instead of hashing on him!"

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Originally Posted by Ness

Everything in this world is subject to scrutinization. And as a paying customer I have every right to criticize. I'm so sick of having to inform people that this is a discussion forum and people are encouraged to voice their opinions. Using the standard "you weren't involved and you can't do better so you can't criticize" argument is pathetic and childish.

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^ Yeah what he said.

The card art that I have problems with at the moment are:
- Bloodfang. Griptooth looks like he would kick his ass in a fight, and Bloodfang is the leader.
- Frying Pan. Even when zoomed out, it's still not up to Shadow Era's standards. Just my honest opinion.
- Sindarok Apprentice. Are you kidding?? My favourite card in the whole expansion and you give it Oliver Fagin's rejected art? Save that art for a male Mage character. Sindarok Apprentice is a female Priest character. Please I beg of you, do not make me play that thing in a priest deck. For the love of all that is holy.

Seriously though he's wearing a wizard's hat. Pleeeeaase don't use it for Sindarok Apprentice.

Don't get me wrong it's good art. But it is clearly a mage. Not a female Priest apprentice or a Rogue.

Lmbo!!

Yes! Please fix Syndarok!! What in the world! I mean the art isn't bad but that is one of the best cards in te game and my favorite 3 cost ally :/ It looks like a Rogue card, not a priest! His green lantern style power does not fit the common "flame" color of Arcane power.

People are angry about fire pan and exaltation.. There is a simple solution... Pretend they don't exist.
Nobody plays those cards and no body will, like many new armors.. Just pretend they don't exist.. They even doesn't deserve an art..

There is many cards in Cotc, DP and SF are designed not to be used at all, and no one ever saw them, why bother about their art.

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Originally Posted by Rivozzz

People are angry about fire pan and exaltation.. There is a simple solution... Pretend they don't exist.
Nobody plays those cards and no body will, like many new armors.. Just pretend they don't exist.. They even doesn't deserve an art..

There is many cards in Cotc, DP and SF are designed not to be used at all, and no one ever saw them, why bother about their art.

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Why would any card be designed not to be used?? That's poor game development. Every card should be useful in some deck, even if the combo for the deck doesn't exist yet. That's how I would make the game anyways. And I can't ignore a card if its in my opponents deck lol!

But the Pithing Spear has a spear in it. Thats not really what comes to my mind when I hear the word Blade.

Viska, The Scarlet Spear

Why does the eagle in that art have an eye on the top of its head?

There have been some cards with not as great art in all the sets really. To me the set that has the worst art is actually DP. Many of the pieces in that set by Trias Digital are just not up to par, and there a great deal of arts by them in DP. Granted we haven't seen all SF art yet, but I'd say that what we have seen so far has been on average better than DP, aside from a few off pieces.

It is just my oppinion, but I don`t think Frying Pan and Exaltation are so bad as you are claiming. I don`t think they fall too far behind if you compare with the other art. Some are complaining about FP and Exaltation, but it has to be seen if there is concensus on this. It has to be seen if there are not many like me who thinkk they are reasonable.

Almost forgot. Sword of Might sucks. It is just a picture of a generic sword with some ornamental design. Also the way it looks cropped (If it is) is awkward. Works for a power metal album, but definitely not for SE.

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Originally Posted by Kaos Dark

Almost forgot. Sword of Might sucks. It is just a picture of a generic sword with some ornamental design. Also the way it looks cropped (If it is) is awkward. Works for a power metal album, but definitely not for SE.

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I agree on this. I've said before that Sword of Might looks like a disembodied forearm holding a sword, and the sword is sort of cut off so that it looks almost more like a dagger than a sword. Needs to be zoomed out a bit at the very least.

As for some of the other cards mentioned, I like Exaltation and Reverberate well enough, not the best out of the entire set, but not terrible. Personally I think Reverberate and Exaltation could be related lore-wise (at least that's my opinion, maybe I should write a fan fiction on this, lol). Frying Pan is a humorous card just by its existence, and the artwork appropriately reflects this IMO.

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Originally Posted by Capo 9

Cutlass is bad too

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Wut...
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...948f7dba4f.jpg

I like the idea about viska and pithing spear.But in my opinior, the elemental cards has all meet the acceptable level, just need sometime to adapt the new style.However, vess is a bit frail than I imaged.

I don't see why so many people are dogging on Exaltation, I really like it. The dude in the picture is overflowing with so much power that his body has transcended a physical form and become pure energy. The art is also very similar to the other SF Elemental cards and fits right in. I honestly don't see what people were expecting for a simple frying pan. Hopefully Wulven uncrops the picture a bit to show the ruined city in the background or at the very least the dead soldiers on the ground.

As for Sindarok... She definitely deserves different art. I can see how its current art looks feminine, but the mage hat is a little silly.

Riphide is the only other card that really disappointed me. I was expecting a really terrifying looking Wulven tearing something apart. An armored werewolf with blood on his hand isn't exactly what I was expecting.

Im glad more people are jumping on the "switch viska and pithing spear art" bandwagon.
Change the name if you must (viska the scarlet spear and blade of the aldmor). Just please make it happen, wulven!

I'll always be for AMAZING art only. Full stop.

Moreover if u think of more than 1 year to choose ... to me it's still unbelievable that we won't have amazing only arts.

We of course have good and nice "fantasy/shadow style" art, but I agree this set has also a lot of bad themed ot feint art as I pointed out already in more than 1 post.

I can understand most of players care of the game mechs only, I don't ... and I'm a player as well, so to me art is at least as important as the nice balance the game currently has.

Just my 2 cents,
mm75

I just want SE to use art that fits the theme of the DP and CotC sets, not differentiate in SF.

That said, the faster we get the art, the better. It should also be secondary to the features that should be developed for the game. Auction house, in game tournaments, campaign, everything has been on the backburner/works for too long. That's what's killing the game for players that have been around for a long time now.