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    Reducing Max Deck Size to 80 Cards + Hero in QM

    There was a time when it was almost always right to proclaim that using the minimum deck size (29+hero and later 39+hero) was what you'd like to aim for.

    But then the card pool has grown, the deck strategies available have grown, the number of draw cards has grown, the amount of redundancy (overlap) has grown ... such that actually you can go bigger and get almost the same effect as being super-consistent but you gained more options and more stamina and some other benefits too (e.g. avoid the pain of cutting cards).

    I think we've all heard of the legendary BP ShadowMann and his 120 card decks that are very viable, in fact. He tends to use Rogue heroes for all their decent ally options, draw options and control options, but actually other classes have worked too.

    Then, at the other end of the spectrum, are people who chuck 120 cards into a deck without that much thought, designed to cause games to play out as a kind of stale-mate until the other person runs out of cards. The deck does not even need to be a "stall" deck for this. It could be an aggro or mid-range deck. The point is just that you can get a good mix of allies and control cards and survive until the opponent who is running closer to 40-50 cards has run out.

    We think it's about time this situation changed, and would like to propose we reduce the maximum deck size for "Quick Match" to 80 cards + hero. This still gives you the option to go between 39-80 non-hero cards, which we feel is nice flexibility. (Compare to Hearthstone, which only supports deck size of exactly 30!)

    Note that the limit would be unchanged for Custom Matches.

    What do you think?

    p.s. This is not about killing off the "stall" archetype, which can run fine at low amounts of cards anyway. It's entirely about just bringing the amount of cards you can have in a Quick Match deck down.
    Last edited by Gondorian; 09-05-2017 at 02:36 PM.

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    I would go for even lower card count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gondorian View Post
    Would like to propose we reduce the maximum deck size for "Quick Match" to 80 cards + hero. This still gives you the option to go between 39-80 non-hero cards, which we feel is nice flexibility
    Why not? My vote is yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veles View Post
    I would go for even lower card count.
    Other: I agree. I'd go with 60card max period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starval View Post
    Other: I agree. I'd go with 60card max period.
    I think then you make Mill decks (i.e. ones that discard the opponent's cards) too viable.

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    I'd shared this poll to our chat group and few already voted. I think you should consider putting this on in-game announcement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gondorian View Post
    I think then you make Mill decks (i.e. ones that discard the opponent's cards) too viable.
    Praxix is really the only one that can do that effectively right? Even his most ideal deck setup for doing that is not easy to pull off. And it shouldn't be too hard to adjust his numbers if that becomes the only issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starval View Post
    Praxix is really the only one that can do that effectively right? Even his most ideal deck setup for doing that is not easy to pull off. And it shouldn't be too hard to adjust his numbers if that becomes the only issue.
    It's not just that. Halving the size of deck people can use is very drastic and I think we should have room for people to run larger than 60. Just max copies of 15 cards comes to 60. Maybe ultimately we'd drop down that low and just be double Hearthstone (which is 30 cards and max two copies of each), but I don't think we need to go that far yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gondorian View Post
    It's not just that. Halving the size of deck people can use is very drastic and I think we should have room for people to run larger than 60. Just max copies of 15 cards comes to 60. Maybe ultimately we'd drop down that low and just be double Hearthstone (which is 30 cards and max two copies of each), but I don't think we need to go that far yet.
    Fair enough. I think of it like this: what's the minimum amount of cards that Seek or Digging (i.e. with Chalice of Knowing or Word of the Prophet) is worth having. I found that number to be around 60. But 80 for now would be good. I also consider new players joining. Other games I've tried out that also have large max deck sizes tend to overwhelm me as I have no idea how much I should put into my deck.
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    I vote no!!!

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