Shuriken Nerf

[SEF Mango]

Yeah. I like that there's no 3 or more, but this one is better than current one.

I like suggestion of 2se so far. Or simply making it to 2 durability could work. Shuriken is sort of throwing knife like weapon in real life. It doesn't feel right for me to have high durability.

I think dropping it to 2 Durability sounds like a good idea. Keeping everything else the same. It is still a strong removal for 4CC and 1SE. Basically it is Transmogrification Curse for Rogues and Hunters but with the ability to still smack something else for 1 damage. Still combo well with Vic or Garth.

EDIT: thinking about this, if you drop the durability, think the restriction would have to be altered. Just my gut feeling. Maybe 2 or more allies? Not sure but just feels like it would need to be reworked. That's just my gut though. Who listens to their gut?...

[TJ dubdub]

I think dropping it to 2 Durability sounds like a good idea. Keeping everything else the same. It is still a strong removal for 4CC and 1SE. Basically it is Transmogrification Curse for Rogues and Hunters but with the ability to still smack something else for 1 damage. Still combo well with Vic or Garth.

EDIT: thinking about this, if you drop the durability, think the restriction would have to be altered. Just my gut feeling. Maybe 2 or more allies? Not sure but just feels like it would need to be reworked. That's just my gut though. Who listens to their gut?...

I think 2 durability is an ok change. But the wording has to stay the same. 2 or more would be a buff for sure.

[BP Holy Punisher]

What's the point of 2 durability? Why not make it an ability then? The only heroes being able to do some extra damage with 2 dura are Victor and Garth, who are the heroes all of you are complained for!

[samu313]

How about making it the counterpart of marksman, thus an instakill on summoning if 3+ allies and then nothing else?

[SEF Mango]

How about making it the counterpart of marksman, thus an instakill on summoning if 3+ allies and then nothing else?

This is interesting... an on summon ability yet no other ability? So, just a 1/4 weapon afterwards? Or would you up the attack?

[samu313]

This is interesting... an on summon ability yet no other ability? So, just a 1/4 weapon afterwards? Or would you up the attack?

At that point can probably become a 2/3 weapon since will be basically vanilla, i don't know.. not up to me to come with the complete solution

[Areliae]

I don't think it's that op. I think it's a very strong card, just like tidal wave is a very strong card. I think rogues need help getting the board back once behind, and I don't think the condition is often met multiple turns in a row, with subsequent trades and whatnot. If I was going to nerf it however, I would do it the way someone else suggested.

1SE: If the opponent has three of more allies, the allies damaged by Spirit Shuriken this turn is killed.

I don't know whether it should be the FIRST ally is killed, because for them to get double value out of it would require both a card giving them a second attack, and the enemy having 4+ allies, not to mention not working on gargoyles ect.

[streetsahead]

After playing lazy fat vic a bit, Ive changed my opinion although only slightly.

I literally only think shuriken is 5% less responsible for the decks success than i did before. It's still everything i said before, but i do think a combination of gambit, anmor, and vics ability are to blame for the colossol trainwreck of overdraw and npe that vic is.

[Kylt]

After playing lazy fat vic a bit, Ive changed my opinion although only slightly.

I literally only think shuriken is 5% less responsible for the decks success than i did before. It's still everything i said before, but i do think a combination of gambit, anmor, and vics ability are to blame for the colossol trainwreck of overdraw and npe that vic is.

The fact shuriken exists already does half (if not more) the job. Sure, you might not have used it, but opponent had to always play the game with shuriken in mind, leading them vulnerable to normal board fight.

[tolerance]

Current version of Shuriken is acceptable after previous nerf.
Going 1st in SE always has an advantage in board control with cheap allies and Shrunken at least allow players going 2nd a way to counter that situation. Most players will not put 4pcs in their deck making it harder for them to draw Shuriken either.
At least leave it out from next balancing list and re-assess by the time LL2 is ready for a release