Not Op. Just good.
Not Op. Just good.
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Agreed. Same goes for General of Unaxio & Aldmor Scout
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infinite usage creates some problems
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Relentless Savagery is an example, not of power creep, but power jump between sets.
Mindless ferocity is a decent enough card. Relentless Savagery not only loses the downside of that card but adds a really big positive.
The claw limitation is not an issue for shadow decks.
So I don't know if it's OP or not, it's certainly strong, but I don't think this level of power creep is healthy for the long term good of the game.
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Offtopic, but. when the people clutter the forum bothers me too, if they had a ambiguous complaint could post it on the card thread that already exists. In addition, Danae is a moderator, so review and ask for a better clarity of your publications is entirely valid point.
1) Mindless ferocity is a COMMON general shadow Card.
Relentless Savagery is a RARE specific user designed card.
The old players, as have unlimited access to all the cards sometimes forget that rarity matter. But for new players matter, and a lot, is a factor in accessibility to the card. (4xMindless Ferocity cost $400G, $100G each. 4xRelentless Savagery cost $3600G, $900G each... yeee..for a new player matters A LOT. )
If this is effective or not in the long-term design of the game is another discussion that does not fall under this thread, but a common card, don't have sense to be compared with a Rare Card.
2) Claw allies don't sux, but this request change a lot the usability of the card. Maybe not before, but now too many allies DON'T have claw attack, and this change the card in a 2cc for +1 attack without loop (what Sux).
Examples of decks where this card is going to bother in hand, rather than a contribution to the deck.
If you use:
Undead allies: A lot of them have ice or electrical damage, the rest, armed attack (not claw).
Some Homunculus: A lot of them use fire or electrical damage (a few have ice too), they have claw allies, but this restrict a lot the pool for use. This restriction include ofc Voracious Arachnid
Ravagers: Too many armed or fire attack.
Class allies: Like Yari or Hunter allies, they are armed attack, not claw (The exception are wulvens and elementals, but no one use elemental allies :c snif u.u )
Aldmors: All of them are armed attack, except ancient.
Other Shadow allies frecuently used in decks: Morbid Acolyte, Grimghast, Falseblood Cultist, Slingblade Demon, Furrion Terror and all the Fire damage set, Kairos Doombringer and ofc Scourge Colossus (both of them, armed damage), etc.
So... Claw allies don't sux, but this restric a lot the use of this attachment in your deckbuild design. Probably the only one deck that perfectly can use this card... is wulven lol. And come on... let the poor dogs have something to do vs the new decks pls :v
And a important detail, im not sure if the people is reading correclty, but the loop depends of claw attack, if the attack isn't claw, the card dont have loop effect.
Like i said before... isn't OP. But maybe if you and others REALLY still feeling (when you face it, AND when you use it... ) that this is OP (no comments) maybe can be slightly changed by other alternatives like change the extra +1 by a damage point, this affect a lot when u face tanks like Infernal Gargoyle or hit armors. But carefully cuz this can be a boost for Raikka anyway xD.
Anyway, i think that wulvens, whith complete LL set can MAYBE be a problem in the future with this card... but for now and the next 6 months... i think isn't abusive in power... just a good new attachment.
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1) Card rarity doesn't matter for balancing constructed.
2) i haven't said its OP yet, just that its pushing out the bar of what a 2cc attachment can do so needs to be looked at closely. Let's play test it and see.
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Glad to see the thread got a bit more constructive.
Having said that, I do think it is worth making a distinction between two brands of overpowered:
1. undercosted (which can usually be done "on paper" by comparing to other cards, to show that the card gives too much value for its cost)
2. broken (which means its existence is harmful to the game, for a variety of reasons, but usually because it leads to people either having to run that card or counters to that card to win).
Do you think we have either or both of those going on here specificially?
Something else I'd like to add to the thread is a quote from when we originally spoiled this card:
I hope that gives some insight behind why it is the way it is.
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I'll add a third Option, and that's that I feel you get a lot of value from this card, perhaps bordering on or making it seem undercosted.
People are saying it's infinite, yet they're overlooking some very common interactions that remove this card. Retreat, banish, trans curse and exiling the ally all destroy this attachment. And of course anything that locks the ally to the board means savagery is stuck; cb, zh, enslave.
If this gets dropped to one attack it'll be absolutely useless. A 2cc for unaxio that is less versatile.
Imo mindless ferocity is a poor comparison. You're comparing a card that almost never sees play because it sucks, to a useful one. By that token I'll be comparing Zoe, silversmith to sabreen in my next nerf argument.
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I agree with streets. Its a good card. I dont feel op. Its a good card for vess. Was was very underutilized. She finally has some decent tools. But dont forget the problem with vess. 7 attachments in hand and no allies. She has to have a good draw to even be able to do any of these things. I still thing a decent cintrol deck will shut down savagery. As stated retreat banish cb etc.
And zoe silversmith is op. She needs a reworking. That axe is ginormous. She has skinny arms. How does she even pick it up. OP
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