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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanPriest View Post
    Interesting what you said... so you are saying that it is vital and necessary to have women with giant boobs and tiny waists wearing almost nothing on card art in order to have a game? If we covered up all of the women, would people stop playing Shadow Era (or would people even have gotten into Shadow Era if women were covered up to begin with?)
    Not exactly. I'm saying that sexualized card art part of the Shadow Era experience.

    It's perfectly possible to create a successful CCG without giant boobs and tiny waists on the cards art, but it would be an entirely different experience. For example, did you ever play Yu-Gi-Oh! ? In this game you will rarely come across a sexualized card (or human card art, for that matter ) , and it has a really big player base; but playing Yu-Gi-Oh! is a different experience from playing Shadow era, in the same way that watching 300 is a different experience than watching The Hunger Games: both are action movies, and in both movies people die in violent ways; but 300 goes that extra mile, showing a bit of nudity and a bit of racism, which makes it a different experience.

    Without a bit of wasp waists and big boobs, and hairy guys with horns in the helm, Shadow Era wouldn't be better or worse, but different, and it would appeal to different people.

    It would be a different game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanPriest View Post
    That is one of my concerns - if Shadowera is pandering to young boys with sexualized women on the card arts, then what will happen to him as he matures?
    He'll most likely mature. He'll be desensitized to women wearing skimpy clothing in media and that'll be about it.

    The other side to this is that being a young man in the cyber age he'll most likely watch porn at the age of 12, be exposed to over the top gross out and horror movies by the age of 10, play violent first person shooters at the age of 13, and the thing you're going to gripe about is a cartoonishly drawn woman wearing a bikini.

    Some feminists might consider this a defeatist attitude, but I consider this realism. If you're concerned about the media your kids take in talk about it with them. If you're worried about media not being wholesome enough have a talk about it. If there isn't media that appeals to your sensibilities than make the media. I'm pretty sure you could find plenty of concerned people who want to watered down, safe, prechewed milquetoast ready to digest things for unthinking children. Become the media. It's way more productive to be creative than it is to blather on about how you hate someone's art. Let there be dumb media for people with stupid brains, let us enjoy our male power fantasies and fap material in peace. If you don't like it don't consume it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magorules View Post
    Not exactly. I'm saying that sexualized card art part of the Shadow Era experience.

    It's perfectly possible to create a successful CCG without giant boobs and tiny waists on the cards art, but it would be an entirely different experience. For example, did you ever play Yu-Gi-Oh! ? In this game you will rarely come across a sexualized card (or human card art, for that matter ) , and it has a really big player base; but playing Yu-Gi-Oh! is a different experience from playing Shadow era, in the same way that watching 300 is a different experience than watching The Hunger Games: both are action movies, and in both movies people die in violent ways; but 300 goes that extra mile, showing a bit of nudity and a bit of racism, which makes it a different experience.

    Without a bit of wasp waists and big boobs, and hairy guys with horns in the helm, Shadow Era wouldn't be better or worse, but different, and it would appeal to different people.

    It would be a different game.

    Cheers!
    So you're saying that your ideal game is like Yu-Gi-Oh but with nudity and racism? -kidding sorry, couldn't resist.

    Seriously though, sure it's part of the experience, but might it be a different experience for different people depending on their perspectives? And perhaps that experience isn't what the developers intended...perhaps getting feedback on those negative experiences is important so that the devs can continue to grow the game and not have it die out due to an artificially constrained audience (that excludes women).

    Perhaps the experience of playing against and meeting real women in a game would outweigh the experience of looking at cartoon boobs.

    My wife is routinely harassed by men on the street and she has gotten to the point where she is downright rude to many men, no matter how politely they try to talk to her. I can't help but think that if men weren't so relentless with this stuff, forcing this sexuality on women so that they always had to be on guard...perhaps things would be easier for everyone. I know that's a bit off-topic here, but it really applies. You guys are absolutely right to point out that mostly men play this game - but that's just the current state of affairs, and it doesn't have to be the goal for the future. I love women, and I like being around women, so the last thing I want to do is surround myself with things (language and images) that make them uncomfortable and unwelcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanPriest View Post
    I am not offended, but just wondered at the sheer numbers of sexualized female card art. I never had seen this with playing Magic when I used to. Also I wanted to ask to see if this type of card art had actually any effect on male players here.
    A 2 minute google search shows that magic also has some art that could be seen in such a manner.
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...aya+Channelers
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...Essence+Vortex
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...lizing+Cascade
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...name=Earthbind
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...=Blood+Tribute
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...sal+of+Fortune
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...he+Dark+Realms
    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...oros+Archangel

    I'm not a magic player, so I can't really say anything about the release date of the cards or the frequency of them happening, this just came up with a quick google search. Similar for this thread which shows some possibly problematic themes: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/m...e-insult-woman

    I'm not saying that M:tG is on the same level as Shadow Era, but it's not an uncommon theme for atleast some of the cards in a fantasy setting. Someone even went and made a count after dividing into subcategories: https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress....time-part-one/

    As far as for it having an influence on players, I don't think it will be that big, if they're playing shadow era, then they are also on the internet. There are way more sexualized images that could be found on the internet compared to a cartoon drawing of a still partially covered women.
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    whoa, I never seen such active thread like this for ages. You need to post a lot more thread Human Priest

    We need more female players for sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mip View Post
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    Oh i love this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by magorules View Post
    Not exactly. I'm saying that sexualized card art part of the Shadow Era experience.

    It's perfectly possible to create a successful CCG without giant boobs and tiny waists on the cards art, but it would be an entirely different experience. For example, did you ever play Yu-Gi-Oh! ? In this game you will rarely come across a sexualized card (or human card art, for that matter ) , and it has a really big player base; but playing Yu-Gi-Oh! is a different experience from playing Shadow era, in the same way that watching 300 is a different experience than watching The Hunger Games: both are action movies, and in both movies people die in violent ways; but 300 goes that extra mile, showing a bit of nudity and a bit of racism, which makes it a different experience.

    Without a bit of wasp waists and big boobs, and hairy guys with horns in the helm, Shadow Era wouldn't be better or worse, but different, and it would appeal to different people.

    It would be a different game.

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.P View Post

    Oh i love this one
    Haha "Play with the top card of your library revealed"

    But seriously though, I dont think this art can even be compared to art like Jasmine's. The latter is clearly sexually suggestive while the former definitely isnt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaos Dark View Post
    You must of never seen the original artworks then. The International translations censor all of the artworks. Take a few of these original versions for example. Picked ones specifically related to this topic.
    He did say the word "rarely".. but I think the main point the OP was trying to make is that there a large majority of women being "sexualized" but no men, so therefore its unfair and seems sexist, which makes sense imo

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamebringer View Post
    I, uhh, I gotta say... I actually don't see that and now I'm curious... Mind explaning? PM the dumbass or something . Haha.


    If we start talking about politically correct... I agree with the basic idea, but I think that most people take it way to far. I... I'm going to try and not get too deep in a conversation about that. As I said, it's something I support, but what people do with it really pisses me off, :|.
    I think of it as the age old "gold digger" stereotype.. I could be reaching on that one though.

    As far as the "politically correct" thing goes, I agree that people go too far with it sometimes. But that is our opinion, just like its their opinion that such "violations" are offensive. So that means, one opinion will acted upon while the other is left out.. (or there could be a compromise).

    But think of it from Wulven's point of view, or any game company for that matter. It comes down to two questions. The company will ask themselves "Is this worth the risk to keep this in the game?" and "Is this worth the trouble to remove this from the game?" I can see how it can be a tough call either way.

    As an example though, (and I could be wrong on this), I remember reading somewhere that the ever so popular "Dark Magician" card in YuGiOh! was originally called "Black Magician". But it was changed because people complained that it was "satanic" and suggested that it implied/glorified the use of "black magic". Now, we can say what we want about that. But Konami/Upper Deck decided that NO, it was not worth the risk to keep, and YES it was worth the trouble to change. Not sure how much of a difference that actually made for them, but you cant argue with the fact that the game is doing well.

    Just something to think about.

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    well my fav MTG set is Lorwyn + Morningtide expansion (I wasn't playing at the time of epic old sets like Kamigawa (if that's the right name )), and elves and fairies there are much more revealing than the cards Mip and the others linked...I'm too lazy to link them though, take my word for it
    and yeah, I know it's because of the world they live in and the lore hierarchy, but that makes little difference to me
    anw, the way I like Lorwyn elves so much is not the art (though I enjoy aesthetically pleasing art tbh), I really like their game mechanics which you couldn't pull off with other tribes
    and irl I like skinny girls (not Deathbone style, but pretty close )
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorgi View Post
    well my fav MTG set is Lorwyn + Morningtide expansion (I wasn't playing at the time of epic old sets like Kamigawa (if that's the right name )), and elves and fairies there are much more revealing than the cards Mip and the others linked...I'm too lazy to link them though, take my word for it
    and yeah, I know it's because of the world they live in and the lore hierarchy, but that makes little difference to me
    anw, the way I like Lorwyn elves so much is not the art (though I enjoy aesthetically pleasing art tbh), I really like their game mechanics which you couldn't pull off with other tribes
    and irl I like skinny girls (not Deathbone style, but pretty close )
    In MtG Elves multiply faster than Stormtroopers.

    But yeah, revealing clothes are fine as long as there's a good reason for them. There are definitely cards that I find more attractive and aesthetically pleasing with 90% more clothing.

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