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    Krygon is too rampant

    Pun intended.

    The selling out of it is an obvious giveaway that this card is too good for its class.

    Even after the nerf, it's just too good especially in a Shadow deck. Haste is very strong as it takes away the turn-delay and able to act on the situation immediately. Simply put it's an immediate problem solver.

    Unlike one-use abilities, Krygon puts a permanent 2 atk threat on board, with the ability to add an extra point of damage every turn. This may not seem much but throw in DMT, Arachnid or Hulk you get a really strong board for some low costs. Permanent pings are strong because they don't have to deal with the combat retaliation.

    To balance out its versatility, I suggest reducing Krygon's attack to 1 but give him 3 health as a consolation. He is still useful but not as strong in the turn he is summoned. Please don't finalize SF until Krygon is balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secruoser View Post
    For a Hasted ally, the strength comes from its attack point regardless of its health point. A 2/2 Krygon is just as strong as a 2/4 Krygon because of this reason. Sure he cannot last longer, but only if you can take back the board which Krygon helped secured in the first place.

    Compared to Viska, she costs 6cc but only comes with 3 attack, and unique.
    FFM costs same 3cc, but only 1 attack.
    Wild Berserker costs 5cc, still only 2 attack.
    Dread Wolf also costs 3cc, but only 1 attack, and although it can buff itself with every attack, Krygon's ability is better since it can spread out the buff to many allies, and it can also ping 1 damage to enemies.
    Lightning Hunter costs 4cc, comes with a whopping 3 attack but with 2 drawbacks which balanced it.
    Demetreyo is another ally that costs 3cc, but basically just a Fireball.
    Ravager Zealot is good, but balanced by being very Ravager-limited.
    Deepwood Bobcat needs more cc played to activate its haste.

    So yeah, the problem with Krygon is not 2 attack, but 2 attack with haste, fits any Shadow deck, deals 1 damage without retaliation, buff attack-ability based allies and you keep seeing it every T3.

    I don't mind Krygon getting back its old ability, but it should not start with 2 attack, at least not for a 3cc ally.
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    You would've hated him when he was a 2/4 then, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tman507 View Post
    You would've hated him when he was a 2/4 then, lol.
    Wow, I wish! Don't dare touch rampant krygon. He is as nerfed as be can be... Down from 2/4 pishaw. Lmao
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    I really don't see him swinging games any more than other 3cc allies anymore. I guess he's a bit stronger than DMT out of the gate, but he also rarely lasts 1 turn. DMT can stick around a bit sometimes, making it a bigger threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstinLastout
    Down from 2/4 pishaw. Lmao
    Yeah, when was originally revealed as the winning entry for a forum card creation contest he was a 2/4. Then became a 2/2 because that was a bit too strong. As bobrossw says, he is easier to remove, simply because of this lower health. His haste and ability are good, but are fine IMO.
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    Tbh I think RK has to be changed.
    Not because it's OP (it may be OP, but this is not the point), but because haste has become too relevant in SF meta, making the game less predictable and less skill intensive.
    Early turns against shadow decks are a gamble now and tbh I don't like it.
    All other hasted ally have an attack value lower than the normal value for their cost (FFM, Dread Wolf) or low in absolute (Kris, Frostmare), or have conditional/drawbacks (Ravager Zealot, Lightning Hunter).
    RK has only low health which is not very relevant when it has haste.
    My suggestion is to make something like this:
    cc: 3
    Atk/Def 1/4
    Ability: 1: target ally gets +1/-1 (himself included)
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    For a Hasted ally, the strength comes from its attack point regardless of its health point. A 2/2 Krygon is just as strong as a 2/4 Krygon because of this reason. Sure he cannot last longer, but only if you can take back the board which Krygon helped secured in the first place.

    Compared to Viska, she costs 6cc but only comes with 3 attack, and unique.
    FFM costs same 3cc, but only 1 attack.
    Wild Berserker costs 5cc, still only 2 attack.
    Dread Wolf also costs 3cc, but only 1 attack, and although it can buff itself with every attack, Krygon's ability is better since it can spread out the buff to many allies, and it can also ping 1 damage to enemies.
    Lightning Hunter costs 4cc, comes with a whopping 3 attack but with 2 drawbacks which balanced it.
    Demetreyo is another ally that costs 3cc, but basically just a Fireball.
    Ravager Zealot is good, but balanced by being very Ravager-limited.
    Deepwood Bobcat needs more cc played to activate its haste.

    So yeah, the problem with Krygon is not 2 attack, but 2 attack with haste, fits any Shadow deck, deals 1 damage without retaliation, buff attack-ability based allies and you keep seeing it every T3.

    I don't mind Krygon getting back its old ability, but it should not start with 2 attack, at least not for a 3cc ally.
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    I doubt it fits any Shadow deck.
    And I doubt I keep seeing it every T3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Index View Post
    I doubt it fits any Shadow deck.
    And I doubt I keep seeing it every T3.
    Excluding tribal decks, RK fits in almost every deck.
    Obviously you can chose to build a deck without it if you want to use a particular strategy, but I can't think to any hero that doesn't have a viable/popular build with Krygon. Maybe Ter Adun because he needs ravagers for his ability to make sense, but I'm sure I've seen people using him and Krygon.
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    So, should we nerf Aldon too? I mean I see him in almost every human build if that's the criteria for nerfing.

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