In reference to the OP:
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....d-Organization
Firstly, you cannot do this for an open, pop-up tourney: "What we mean by this is we separate guild mates on opposite end of the brackets from each other so they do not have to face one another early."
I'll call it the 'weird' concept hereafter.
The main reason is because if you are applying for Wulven sponsorship for an open pop-up tourney, the concept of 'guilds' should not permeated into the brackets at all.
Let's say you WANT to introduce this weird concept into your future tournaments and pop-ups.
The correct procedure to apply for Wulven SC sponorship would be to:
1. Inform the OOPS that you will be using this weird concept that no guild/individual has used before.
2. OOPS to decide if the weird concept is eligble for receive the official SC sponsorship.
Next, I am personally shocked that this weird concept is not communicated at all in all your tourney sign-up thread. The people who sign up for AP tourneys should be informed about this weird concept BEFORE they sign up. If you do not state whatever this weird concept (or other future weirder concepts that you might have), the players who sign up will simply assume 'Status quo ante' - which basically means that all tourneys follow the standard, established norms that have been created, refined, understood and accepted, unless otherwise stated.
And to the AP leader: You already know the 'Status quo ante' since you are a really old participant in SE competitive play so stop leading your men down the wrong path.
And Chanson is right.
I totally applaud you for that. I am going to be blunt here: This community now is increasingly only made up of fans who are not open to genuine critique of how the game can be better or how tourneys should be run better/more fair. The reason is very simple: many of those who tried to care and contribute to the game/community have already left. They have moved on because of various reasons (slow dev, false promises, lack of growth, etc, etc)
Stop patting ourselves on the back. Lack of critiques does not mean things are fine, it means no one longer cares. And that is sad.
So I applaud Outl4w.
Some guilds have more members than the others. That's only the fruit of their recruitment. If you want more members in AP guild, just go and steal, I mean, recruit more members.
Precisely. The OP is like 'Ok, I got found out. Sigh, no choice, gotta admit that I did punch you in the dark (a few times!). I still want you around (so that I can punch you again when you are not watching).'
The Voice of Reason
I give props to u, lykos: that's the right way to do it. Props.
With all due respect to Danae:
Let's see, suppose BP is going to organize a tourney, so they secretly announce in their private forums that the sign up with take place at XX/YY/2014 at ZZ:PP time, so ALL BP members: Flood the sign up ONCE IT'S OPENED!
lol, bad idea. Because if BP ever does that, every member will just be disgusted at the lack of sportsmanship and leave the guild.
- of course, Danae already knows that it does not happen. I am just stating an example.
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Some key points I will make right now.
(And it's not the first or second time I am repeating myself. I have mentioned these SEVERAL times.)
1. All tournaments must be made as fair as possible. Because no one is going to play in competitive play if cheating cannot be curbed or controlled. Organized play will die out.
2. I have suggested to TOs to ALWAYS seed your participants. C'mon, don't be lazy. I don't wanna repeat on the hundreds of ways that participants can be seeded. The current Challonge UI gives the TO a lot of power and easy functions - allowing TOs to manipulate brackets very easily. There is no issue if the OOPS/TOs are not aligned in any guild, Challonge is a dream come true for independent TOs.
No, we can't all be saints. But seeding can make players act like decent human beings.
Seeding FORCES the brackets to be fixed and the TO cannot manipulate with the brackets. When I was a TO, all my tourneys are seeded.
3. Fan-made tourneys are GREAT for community building and spirit - but if the community grows to a state of distrust whereby there are no saints and only devils exist, well, say bye to fan-made tourneys and hi to officially organized tourneys. It will work. However, if fan-made tourneys cease to exist in SE, it will be a very dark day. And with AP concealing this weird way on how they do their bracketing that leaves so much shadiness for manipulation and douchebaggery, we are all inching towards that very dark day.
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