Mulligan....

[Maldazar]

After not having played Shadow Era seriously for probably around 1 year I decided to give it a try again, because imho it's still the best digital TCG out there, the most well balanced/well designed.

I didn't really remember why I stopped playing the game, I just remembered that I got frustrated with it for some reason (other then the eternal delays in expansions, because yeah, that was also anoying), so today I gave the game a try again... I was playing an old Banebow deck, no clue how it would do in the current meta, first 2 matches where fun, normal games.. My third game, my opening hand:

3x Wrath of the Forest
2x Shadow Knight
1x Soul Seeker

In the turns to come I also didn't draw any early drop.. So basicly my first card that would have any influence on the board was a 5 drop... he had normal drops every turn, so basicly I had no chance at all...

My deck is well balanced in amount of drops for each cost.. and the odds of not getting any 3 drops are extreemly low.. (have 10 of them).. and still it happened, in my third game... This is when I remembered why I stopped playing SE... because there is no mulligan... and because I have A LOT of bad luck (for some reason any random thing hates me), not having muligan means that probably 1/3 games I will have an impossible terrible draw (even when in theory it should be like 1/20)...

Why is there still no mulligan in SE? Basicly ALL other TCG's have mulligan.. and there is no good reason at all NOT to add it, it lowers luck and rises the skill factor of the game.... anyone who says that this is not true should probably just go studie some math, because statisticly it is CERTAINLY true.....

Anyway, I'll probably stop playing again, see no fun in a game where I just get screwed over by terrible draws 1/3rd of my games and basicly auto lose because of it...

Ps: for players that don't know me, I started playing this game when it was still in beta, before rogues for example were even in the game, I believe there was a cardpool of like 140 cards back then... I kept playing for a long time.. I used to be quite high rank, normaly top 50 at least, sometimes in top 20.. Played in a few tournaments, won some, etc.. So i'm no noob... Also this 1 year that I didn't play a lot of SE i played a lot of other TCG's, so I have experience in this kind of game...

[udy]

Hi, welcome back. Compared to ur forum join date, i would be considered as a newbie

Here some thread discussing about mulligan suggestion on ur SE absence. Maybe u want to read those.

http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan

edit: Hey, I found a pool thread about implementing mulligan started by you !
the pool end up with 57% ppl vote for yes.
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan

[Index]

Mulligan can't help you if you are that unlucky.

[Maldazar]

Mulligan can't help you if you are that unlucky.

Actualy, it would help me, if my avarage bad draw is 1/3, with muligan it would go down to 1/6 (or even less, depending on the muligan system) which is already a lot easier to deal with.. That + tweaking my deck (which probably is kind of outdated for the meta) would probably even raise my OK draws even more, making the game a lot more enjoyable....

Hi, welcome back. Compared to ur forum join date, i would be considered as a newbie

Here some thread discussing about mulligan suggestion on ur SE absence. Maybe u want to read those.

http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan

edit: Hey, I found a pool thread about implementing mulligan started by you !
the pool end up with 57% ppl vote for yes.
http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....light=mulligan

Yeah, i remember that old poll of mine, sadly Wulven just ignored that more then half of their players wanted muligan.............

Anyway, will read the other threads and see if they have any good arguments against muligan that might convince me that i'm wrong about this

[SET Colosal]

You said that you have 2 normal games and 1 where your cards suck. You should be able to handle it and play anyway and even win.

I wouldn't mind to see Mulligan implemented in this game but i don't consider it a priority, because having a bad starting hand is something that you should deal with it.

[udy]

"Luck is past tense instead of present tense"

I know some ppl think that bad luck is a status they carry over all the time. For me, its a word to describe an event that allready passed.

So, if a handicap still affect all player, its acceptable.
You can have bad luck, your opponent can either. You can have bad hand 1/3 of ur game, your opponent can either. If you cant mulligan, as long as ur opponent cant either, it was even

[kentuequi]

because having a bad starting hand is something that you should deal with it.

Hum, i disagree, when you know you're auto loss at T3 because you draw all your >4cc cards (when you have half your deck with <3cc cards) facing a rush deck, mean you're playing a luck based game, and that's not what most of competitive players seek.

[udy]

You said that you have 2 normal games and 1 where your cards suck. You should be able to handle it and play anyway and even win.

I wouldn't mind to see Mulligan implemented in this game but i don't consider it a priority, because having a bad starting hand is something that you should deal with it.

Hum, i disagree, when you know you're auto loss at T3 because you draw all your >4cc cards (when you have half your deck with <3cc cards) facing a rush deck, mean you're playing a luck based game, and that's not what most of competitive players seek.

TCG does promote luck as a factor of the game. What we are debating is the proportion of skill and luck at SE.
I dont think we have enough evidence to sentenced SE as a luck based game.

[msaf]

It seems to me that most luck in SE comes from easy/hard matchups.
Mulligan would shift luck even more to that direction,
making the matchup advantage more reliable.

It might be different in tournaments with sideboarding though.

[jcbow]

Seeing how strong and common rush is in QM I guess the question is would mulligan help you counter that or would it help them rush even better. If it would make rush easier and countering rush harder then it would defeat the purpose of putting it in.