Raph is leaving Shadow Era

[ReignTheConquer]

so this comes down to how a tourney was run?

No , offence, but it seem to me thats it?

If Im wrong and theres a whole lot more benind this then ok, but if its just about screwed up brackets and the fact that it wasnt perfect, I can only say BFD! Its a games in the end and bragging rights be dammed, I truly dont care. I just hope the developers?mangers spend a ton more time getting new cards and options out there. Than worrying about the WC...Hell I got friends and guildmates who have a chance at it but still, there are a whole lot more of us regular just for fun players out there than there are WC players.

I am sure there is more Raph, but I am sorry to say I think the games developers have a more important job to do! In the hope that the next WC can go off with no buggs and a whole lot new cards!

I totally agree!! But if wulven realized there wer a mistake in the WC brackets they should of fixed it.
Now seeing what raph said about samj.. well i dont know and im not trying to bad mouth him but shame on him for trying to play in the tourny when all decks were submitted to him. He should be fired from the dev team. That just shows he is a scandal and dosnt care about SE players or the image of SE

[Raphael Majere]

Were all those blogs on ur site deleted/edited by SE?

i will remove them when the time is ripe.

[Raphael Majere]

I totally agree!! But if wulven realized there wer a mistake in the WC brackets they should of fixed it.
Now seeing what raph said about samj.. well i dont know and im not trying to bad mouth him but shame on him for trying to play in the tourny when all decks were submitted to him. He should be fired from the dev team. That just shows he is a scandal and dosnt care about SE players or the image of SE

i will defend mojumbo a bit here. When there was a mistake in the brackets, some players already played their 'wrong' match with their opponent and some players were still in their midst of the 'wrong match'.

The error occured because the forum tourney system was faulty. (This, however, does not explain why any of the wulven staff or OOPS did not test the brackets before the WC, we are not talking about some puny minor tourney here, we are talking about the WORLD championships here.....)

mojumbo's decision was to allow the wrong brackets to continue, and tried to correct things. However, IMO, the error should not have been allowed to stand in the first place. The correct way, IMO, would be to null the wrong matches and start playing again based on the right brackets.

I also want to defend sam a bit: he didn't think it would be a problem for him to play in a regional that he was not the TO in. In the end, someone had to point it out to him that he has already received the season 7 playoffs players' decklists. (All 4 of them) and that the decklist rules of the playoffs were exactly the same as the regionals. (Deck lock). Again, respectfully, i didn't think it was necessary at all to require a player to point that out to a TO. Also, we are talking about the WORLD championships here...

(lastly, SamJ is OOPS (Official Organized Play Specialist), not part of development team. )

[Caitlyn0]

i will defend mojumbo a bit here. When there was a mistake in the brackets, some players already played their 'wrong' match with their opponent and some players with still in their midst of the 'wrong match'.

The error occured because the forum tourney system was faulty. (This, however, does not explain why any of the wulven staff or OOPS did not test the brackets before the WC, we are not talking about some puny minor tourney here...)

mojumbo's decision was to allow the wrong brackets to continue, and tried to correct things. however, IMO, the error should not have been allowed to stand in the first place. The correct way, IMO, would be to null the wrong matches and start playing again based on the right brackets.


I also want to defend sam a bit: reserved

uh no, that would not have been the correct thing to do. he did the correct thing and continued it as best he could... nulling those matches would of been disasterous. it was already into the tournament at least one hour, if not more, and stopping all things and redoing the loser brackets and then starting those matches again would of added at least 2 MORE hours to the whole thing. people were already exhausted because of the time.

[Gondorian]

I also want to defend sam a bit: he didn't think it would be a problem for him to play in a regional that he was not the TO in. In the end, someone had to point it out to him that he has already received the season 7 playoffs players' decklists. (All 4 of them) and that the decklist rules of the playoffs were exactly the same as the regionals. (Deck lock). Again, respectfully, i didn't think it was necessary at all to require a player to point that out to a TO. Also, we are talking about the WORLD championships here...

Whether you become TO of WC2014 or not, whatever you do, don't give up your day job and become a defence lawyer.

[Raphael Majere]

uh no, that would not have been the correct thing to do. he did the correct thing and continued it as best he could... nulling those matches would of been disasterous. it was already into the tournament at least one hour, if not more, and stopping all things and redoing the loser brackets and then starting those matches again would of added at least 2 MORE hours to the whole thing. people were already exhausted because of the time.

Does not change the fact that the brackets are wrong, or answer the question why the brackets were not tested in the first place.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, when the first 2 of the wrong games started, mojumbo has already been informed that the brackets are wrong.

[Kip thorp]

I defend Sam, because he doing the best w what hes got!
Mumbo, the same.
Once a race has started you cant call everybody back in this type of game.

If you really feel you were wronged Raph, Im sorry, but I watched at last 10 of your games, inculding the draws w Pandev. Which you finaly won, Kudos!
But the start of the brackets is supposed to be ramdom, hence 4 A1 members faced each other, knocking out 50% of that team right there.

Am I incorrect to say you feel slighted becuses your concerns were not adressed , on the spot , by the tourney officials?
in which case, I ask what should they have done?
Total restart? Impossible and you know it
Give a bye or second chance to those slighted? possible
Let the games play out knowing there is nothing that could fix it? probable

Look Man, I have heavy respect for you, But I simply dont see what could have been done.
You got alot further than most SE players.
I just hope the trouney teams learns from this and you stick with it!

All respects , youve been to games Ill never get to, but dont discourage new players from trying by making them think its unfair.

[Raphael Majere]

I defend Sam, because he doing the best w what hes got!
Mumbo, the same.
Once a race has started you cant call everybody back in this type of game.

If you really feel you were wronged Raph, Im sorry, but I watched at last 10 of your games, inculding the draws w Pandev. Which you finaly won, Kudos!
But the start of the brackets is supposed to be ramdom, hence 4 A1 members faced each other, knocking out 50% of that team right there.

Am I incorrect to say you feel slighted becuses your concerns were not adressed , on the spot , by the tourney officials?
in which case, I ask what should they have done?
Total restart? Impossible and you know it
Give a bye or second chance to those slighted? possible
Let the games play out knowing there is nothing that could fix it? probable

Look Man, I have heavy respect for you, But I simply dont see what could have been done.
You got alot further than most SE players.
I just hope the trouney teams learns from this and you stick with it!

All respects , youve been to games Ill never get to, but dont discourage new players from trying by making them think its unfair.

With all due respect:

Firstly, I am eager to close the chapter and start making things right. I am not on a warpath to prove others are wrong.

1. SamJ tried to sign up for a regional when he had already received 8 of the best decklists in the world from the season 7 top players as a TO.

2. I most certainly did not "feel slighted becuses your concerns were not adressed , on the spot , by the tourney officials". As I have already explained earlier, the problems started with the annoucement of the WC in Oct 2012. Because there was no proper project management, the result was that Mojumbo was handed a 'bad ship' at the end of Oct 2013.

Also:

Does not change the fact that the brackets are wrong, or answer the question why the brackets were not tested in the first place.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, when the first 2 of the wrong games started, mojumbo has already been informed that the brackets are wrong.

3. I feel your pain regarding the brackets and hence, moving forward:

also, all players will be seeded accordingly. (The actual method of seeding can be decided later. An example would be using QM ratings to determine seeding.)

From Regionals Final 16 to WC final 16.

This is to prevent any possible manipulation by TO.

4. Those WC games with Pandev were crazy!!!! I remember shocking mojumbo that we are now into our 5th game and later 7th game. LOL..

(PS: to those who do not know, Pandev and I had 3 draws in our games, lol. That shows real caliber. LOL. I later won 4 -3, but I got lucky. I thought I would lose, cos Pandev had FTA in game 7.)

If I missed out anything, Kip, please let me know. I enjoy healthy, clean discussions.

[Raphael Majere]

Whether you become TO of WC2014 or not, whatever you do, don't give up your day job and become a defence lawyer.

yes, you are right, probably better if it was like this?

I want to defend SamJ but i failed: he didn't think it would be a problem for him to play in a regional that he was not the TO in. In the end, someone had to point it out to him that he has already received the season 7 playoffs players' decklists. (All 4 of them) and that the decklist rules of the playoffs were exactly the same as the regionals. (Deck lock). Again, respectfully, i didn't think it was necessary at all to require a player to point that out to a TO. Also, we are talking about the WORLD championships here...

- time to close the thread! -

GDC has kindly suggest that this thread be closed so that I can start another one with a proper title and discussion. I fully agree. Thanks!

I presume the discussions from here can be followed up at the new thread?