Raph is leaving Shadow Era

[Unruler]

I feel you pain, man, I've been there myself. When somebody deleting your posts, it just feels bad, it feels like you're being disrespectfully ignored and just generally unwelcome.

To Wulven and forum staff: I just don't get it, why are you afraid of public discussion, like honest, sincere and straight to the point. People value that. Not that you're trying to sweep everything under a rug. Everyone makes mistakes, and it's ok. I know that it hurts to admit them, but it's better than trying to run away from it.

Or maybe you're afraid of critical posts damaging your reputation? Maybe you should've cared about your reputation when expansion came half a year late or pre-order bonuses just didn't get made?

Maybe you want to be one of those gaming forums where any criticism or disagreement is strongly moderated? I see it is heading in that direction, but that's not in your interests, trust me, because people don't take such forums seriously and don't take such companies seriously either.

Where did the times of friendly dialog between users and developers go? All I see now is iron curtain.

[Gondorian]

Don't go man. DT fail or not your an asset to the community

DT fail?

Just because we on the Design Team perform double or even triple duty, to give Wulven great value for their money, I don't think it's fair to assign collective blame to the whole group.

Poor Anurak, who never does anything apart from designing cards, had no part in this at all!

And Soothslyr and NachyoChez were just commentating all weekend, and also not involved in the organisation.

As for Mojumbo and I, we both did our best in the parts of WC2013 that we organised, and that was done outside our roles on the Design Team, as considerable extra volunteer work. If there are any Ogloth's for punishment out there who would like to volunteer to organise next year's World Championships then please do get in touch.

[Raphael Majere]

1. I will let Mojumbo handle that one (again if he decides to do so), I'm not a TO for a reason. However (I'll go against that for a second), I'll take a shot in the dark and say that he did make a decision on it and one that should be abided by because he's the ref, rather you think the call was wrong or not.

2. It is a misunderstanding. You think we close these threads or edit posts without reason, which is false. I suppose that wasn't clear from my post, well that's what I was referring too. Also no one is gagging you, we're just asking for you to do this in the appropriate manner rather than involving the whole forums which is not necessary.

3. Same as 1, although I won't take a shot in the dark with this one.

1. A ref and a TO is different. Yes, calls by a ref or TO should be adhered to, by players. It does not change the fact that it was a wrong call.

2. If only private messages worked. But No, they don't. But fine, I can see your point about not involving the whole forums but at the same time, people should know what is going on or what has happened.

Lastly, as I have always said, if there was anything I said is that wrong or if my point is invalid, point it out. If I am proven wrong, then I am wrong. The issue I have is that no one is giving me reasonable answers.

[Icebear]

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[Demnchi]

1. A ref and a TO is different. Yes, calls by a ref or TO should be adhered to, by players. It does not change the fact that it was a wrong call.

2. If only private messages worked. But No, they don't. But fine, I can see your point about not involving the whole forums but at the same time, people should know what is going on or what has happened.

Lastly, as I have always said, if there was anything I said is that wrong or if my point is invalid, point it out. If I am proven wrong, then I am wrong. The issue I have is that no one is giving me reasonable answers.

1. Personally, I don't see the difference between the two, one handles the rules of the game and the other handles the rules of the tournament. Besides that difference they basically do the same thing.

2. Send me one anytime.

Reasonable answers is quite subjective. I'm sorry if what you've been told isn't reasonable for you, but that's what it is. We asked you, instead of posting them publicly to send any of that info to the TO (or Kyle) where it would be looked at by those who have the means to do anything about it (if they deem it necessary), to accompany with this we removed your thread so it could be dealt with properly. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

EDIT: Let me make it clear that I'm talking about the act of removing your thread and not the TO's decisions or anything along those lines.

[Mojumbo]

1. The public ought to know the brackets were wrong for day 1. huge mistake. When mojumbo was provided with the opportunity to set things right, he did not do so.

It should be noted that the brackets weren't really "wrong" so much as I had to strong-arm challonge into mirroring what the forum brackets "should have" looked like. It was messy, I will openly admit that, but it did come out alright. The major issue that needed to be avoided was playing past losers round 3 on the forum brackets. Essentially, it wanted Pandevmonium, for example, to play 4 rounds in the lower bracket while blackmask (who was in the same position as Pandevmonium) would only have to play 2 rounds. That would've been silly so it was hastily corrected.

[Raphael Majere]

It should be noted that the brackets weren't really "wrong" so much as I had to strong-arm challonge into mirroring what the forum brackets "should have" looked like. It was messy, I will openly admit that, but it did come out alright. The major issue that needed to be avoided was playing past losers round 3 on the forum brackets. Essentially, it wanted Pandevmonium, for example, to play 4 rounds in the lower bracket while blackmask (who was in the same position as Pandevmonium) would only have to play 2 rounds. That would've been silly so it was hastily corrected.

GDC apparently moved the contents of my thread to a "only for some eyes" area: http://www.shadowera.com/showthread....757#post445757

I believe you should be able to see it. Also, if you are able to view it, you can see that I put in a lot of effort to present it. spent time to do the graphics and charts. (And bam, it was "deleted")

I like you, Mojumbo. I am pretty mad at some people, not you. unruler sums up why i am angry. I am not being unreasonable. At least you make sense. And I do appreciate you trying to solve the bracket problem of Day 1, even though, imo, it was not the best plan.

with all due respect, I disagree that "it did come out alright" - a different MU, a different hero, could have made a lot of difference when the results snowpile one on top of another.

In brief:

The wrong brackets:

Poochie vs Keropok
Raph vs Monomax
Black mask vs slowtown
pandev vs iClipse

The correct brackets:

Pandev vs Keropok
Black mask vs Monomax
Raph vs slowtown
poochie vs iClipse

I made effort to make the correct brackets; hope you'll take a look at it: http://challonge.com/CORRECTWCday1

[Gondorian]

I like you, Mojumbo. I am pretty mad at some people, not you. unruler sums up why i am angry. I am not being unreasonable. At least you make sense.

So it sounds like you are just angry by enforcement of the Code of Conduct then?

That went up quite a while back, but maybe this is another situation of misunderstanding and then debate after the fact?

[Mojumbo]

I agree that's how challenge would've presented the brackets. If challonge was used on Day 1, those would be the matchups. However, the forum bracket seeded the lower bracket players differently. The problem with byes was spotted during loser's round 3 when all the round 2 games had finished up. I actually had to get Emigor and Pandev to stop playing so I could correct the brackets before any serious damage was done! We didn't really have the option of rolling back loser's round 2 results. The events, as you know, were particularly long and gruelling. A rollback would've made it even longer.

Again, it sucks that Day 1 was hit with technical hiccups and I do understand your frustration as a result but we did do our best attempt at "damage control" given the circumstances we were faced with at the time. We will make sure WC2014 runs a whole lot smoother!

[Rayzie]

I understand mono being frustrated. I do not understand why you are a frustrated. You are complaining because you had to play someone you didn't want to play, in a randomly assigned tournament? Who cares if it was rearranged, as long as you had to face a valid opponent there is no reason for this.