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    Meltdown - Ranking and Gold payout

    I'm truly surprised.... in fact, i'm impressed.

    The payout was fully automatic. Right on the dot of the timer, I see the update in gold and the timer immediately changed it to the next weekly meltdown tourney.

    In any case, I will be collating the info for the meltdown tourney from the other players. Then i will make some deductions (if Kyle didn't reveal it :P)

    Jackpot amount (as screenshot 3seconds before timer ends)
    2428600


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    Atomzed Meltdown account
    Score: 2735
    Rank: 7
    Gold received: 33042
    Percentage of jackpot: 1.36%

    Atomzed main account
    Score: 30
    Rank:1400+
    Gold received: 0
    Percentage of jackpot: 0%
    Last edited by Atomzed; 11-02-2012 at 04:27 AM.
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    Information table (updated with info till kent's post)

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    ID Score Rank Tier Gold payout
    Civic Hatch 6055 1 1 73152
    Raphael 3375 3 1 40774
    Atomzed1 2735 7 1 33042
    Skoop 2670 8 1 32257
    Psychobabble 1850 24 2 16762
    wtzky 1690 29 2 15313
    Uknowho 1380 42 2 12504
    Alazzar 1030 72 2 9332
    Direwulven 940 90 2 8217
    Nizaris 880 99 2 7973
    Redzzz 420 241 3 3171
    Ravebaldrick 245 402 4 1849
    Preybird1 190 490 4 1262
    Preybird2 120 714 5 724
    Deathbyspoon 100 805 5 606
    kentuequi 90 845 5 543
    Atomzed2 30 1400 No rank 0

    I am using this table as reference my conclusions about meltdown payout.

    From the table, you can see that there are 5 tiers (6 tiers if you include the no reward tier).

    My guess is that
    Tier 1 = Rank 1 - 20
    Tier 2 = Rank 21 - 100
    Tier 3 = Rank 101 - 200
    Tier 4 = Rank 201 - 450
    Tier 5 = Rank 451 - 1000
    No reward = <rank 1000

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    Conclusion

    1) The payout is determine by the points and your tier. Ranking does not affect your payout directly.

    If you look at Civic Hatch and Raphael scores and payout, Civic Hatch points is ~1.8 times more than Raphael. His payout is larger by that exact proportion (with rounding). You observe the same thing for Civic/ Atomzed points and payout reward too.

    However, the proportional increase in payout/points is only applicable within the tier. When you compare between tiers, Civic has a much higher payout than the points he has over tier 2 players. For example, Civic has ~3.3x the points of psychobabble, but he has ~4.4x times the payout amount.

    2) Is it possible to earn a profit from meltdown? Definitely.

    I didn't keep a record of the gold i have spend, but i did some estimate based on the total amount of points i have.
    Assuming a conservative win ratio of 58% (72 wins, 41 losses, 11 draws), i would have spend a total of 24800 gold. That gives me a conservative profit of 8242.

    I estimate my win loss ratio to be around 65% (76 wins, 29 losses, 11 draws), that would give me a profit of 9842 gold. And all this is excluding the gold i would have won by winning meltdown matches.

    Looking at the data, i would say that those in tier 1 definitely make a profit from meltdown tourney. Those in tier 2 may break even, if they have a good win-loss ratio. [Other tiers should have loss gold from participating in the tourney. - Updated, this is incorrect]

    UPDATE:- I was wrong in my initial conclusion; it is possible to make a profit even at tier 5. For example, kentuequi played and won 3 matches, and got a payout of 543. The payout plus the normal gold win per games, gives him a profit of 63 gold. Similarly, Preybird2 played 4 and won 4 games, and he would have got a profit of 84 gold.

    What this means is that a good meltdown player will be able to gain a profit; the more games he played, the higher his profit. Also, if you play more games, you have a greater margin of error because you can get a profit with a decent win-loss ratio of 65%. If you play very little games, you will need to have a near 100% winning record to get a profit.

    3) Is meltdown tourney a better way to grind? That depends on how many games you play per day.

    Using an estimated win-loss ratio of 65%, i would have won 3040 gold from normal games. So my meltdown profit is about 3 times higher. Hence, its definitely better to grind if you play a lot of games.

    However, owning to the format of meltdown (accumulated points), you are forced to play an insane (imho) number of games to keep up your ranking. For me, this is the first time i have played so many SE games chasing the ranking board. I think i average around 16-17 games per day... in reality i think i play like 25 - 30 games on weekends.

    So if you are a casual player, it may be better to play normal games for grinding. As you will definitely earn a profit, with no possibility of loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomzed View Post
    Gold received: 33042
    Percentage of jackpot: 13.6%
    Someone's math needs checking :P

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    Looks like the amount of points u gained determines payout not necessarily your rank seeing as i was only 2 ahead and got 73000

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    I received two messages, one to say that I won 8217 gold (940 pts, rank 90, T2) and a subsequent message (arrived six min later) saying that I won nothing. My gold acc seems to have bulged but what's happening?
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    that second message is just a glitch by the looks of it.

    Also, because Atomized asked me to post here:


    Meltdown Points: 1850
    Meltdown Ranking: 24 (Tier 2)
    Jackpot Earnings: 16,762

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    MD points - 1380
    MD ranking - 42
    MD tier - 2
    MD payment - 12,504
    MD overall - Pretty much even.

    But does it all add up from the jackpot?
    Last edited by Uknowho; 11-02-2012 at 04:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychobabble View Post
    Someone's math needs checking :P
    Opps, wrong decimal place conversion :P

    Thanks psychobabble for pointing out
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