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    1000SC to the person who comes up with the most reasons why our policy makes sense. There are plenty of reasons, if you are willing to look for them.

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    You can also only buy or find a Black Lotus atm on ebay, so it works exactly in the same way. They dont come in boosters anymore. And ppl play with it. See no diference here.
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    Tracing again a paralelism with MTG: black lotus has always been an object of desire. a worship card everyone drooled about and wanted. once, there was a tourney in my country, where 1st prize was one of them (i must state it worths 4500 bucks atm)... i can honestly say that half of my country signed up for that tourney, it was the biggest tourney here, ever...

    I think you, Wulven, should be the ones most interested in this kind of mysticism and worshipment related to ur game and its card, cause that wirks as a fantastic way of promotion to it, but if you think otherwise...

    Corrupted angel is like the black lotus. Wulven only printing a smaller number of them right? They won't print them again right? I don't see how its not similar. This is awesome that Wulven does this. I've played magic from day 1 really. I have half of a full set of MTG Bata. What was the revised set of Alpha when MTG was first released. Now I'm missing most the high priced cards, but most cards in that set or high price since the number of surviving cards from back then are so low, that is what drives the price. When demand I high and there's just a smaller number of a product to go around an when it's gone it gone. But this adds something not only to the fans of shadow era. But also to the TCG collectors who could care less of what a card does but may just be into the whole collect any TCG card that ever been printed, believe there are those people out there.

    All in all, is this a Trading Card Game or is it not? And if it is, what is the problem of one card being rarer than others? and, if it's a balance issue... restrict it. but (pls) dont make a card that worths nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaDucky View Post
    They basically are, though. If you frequent card shops then you know that by banning it from tournament play, Wulven is ensuring that you will almost never actually be allowed to play with this card. Outside of "kitchen table" players, official tournament rules for banlists and such are generally expected to be abided by, and so Corrupted Angel is now only for sitting in binders and effectively has little to no play value whatsoever. For that reason, I find this decision very distasteful.

    However, Wulven has made their decision, and this is how it is.
    Keep in mind that this is the first TCG I've ever taken interest in from the full perspective and not just causal play. I rarely visit hobby shops and had no idea about these kind of things. From my initial perspective, the choice makes sense. Its a limited available card that has an impact on game play. That usually spells "it can't be used for competition" in my book.

    However, as pointed out. This is a trading card game the card currently isn't broken. I was also unaware that many hobby shops would use the actual official "banlist" for its every day gaming. I was under the assumption they just go there and play. The only thing I've ever seen is Magic players generally don't like people using cards of sets a certain number of sets old, or something like that.

    I can see where everyone is coming from at this point, and see why everyone dislikes this decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GondorianDotCom View Post
    1000SC to the person who comes up with the most reasons why our policy makes sense. There are plenty of reasons, if you are willing to look for them.
    lol, is this a serious offer?

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    To the idiots comparing it to Black Lotus:

    First, Corrupted Angel is a promotional card, whereas Black Lotus and the rest of the Power Nine were normal print cards. In most TCGs, there is a difference in playability of these two groups of cards. Many TCGs ban promo cards from tournaments unless they are reprints or alternative arts of normal cards.

    Second, Corrupted Angel has a limited print run of 10,000 (only to be expanded if Alliance's inability to function results in customers being unable to get the cards they are supposed to receive). There were originally many more copies of Black Lotus, not to mention that it was printed in two different sets.

    Third, Black Lotus is either restricted or banned from every Magic-sanctioned tournament format, so you aren't helping your argument anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GondorianDotCom View Post
    1000SC to the person who comes up with the most reasons why our policy makes sense. There are plenty of reasons, if you are willing to look for them.
    1. Having a different card pool to the digital version is the most important reason IMO. I like that Wulven is keeping the digital and physical versions identical, and hope this continues.
    2. Given it's limited availability it is unfair, and bad business, to exclude future players who might not have access to this card (or essentially force them to pay a higher price to be at no disadvantage).
    3. Whilst placeholder cards would negate number 2 this is not good business for official events.
    4. Everybody complaining about this decision has this card.
    5. DT are always right.
    6. New cards may make this card obsolete (or OP).
    7. It's not a PG13 card.
    8. Rules can be changed in the future to suit the competitive scene.

    I think the card should be allowed in official tournaments in the future only under one condition.

    A non foil version is released as part of a future set (both digital and physical). Without this, I am happy for it to remain banned.
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    As a new player, who never played the game before this pre-order promotion, I don't see how a card like that would be fair to be kept in competitive play. There is no way for me to obtain this card outside of a secondary market.

    Furthermore, as someone who only sees themselves playing this game digitally, there is literally no way for me to get this card with the current systems in place.

    Even if the card by itself is balanced, by making it this exclusive it never truly can be balanced. I haven't even looked up what this card does, but that doesn't change the principle of why cards like this would be unbalanced. No one could, or should, build a deck to combat cards that can only be in a small % of the players decks. With only 40 cards in an average deck it would be a waste of resources to worry about cards like that, just in case an opponent owns one. However, the balance then becomes out of whack if the opponent does have one of these. All of a sudden, that card gets played, you have no response to it, and game over.

    And since this card can only be bought on the secondary market with real money right now it gets eerily close to a pay to win system.

    I think allowing these cards to be played in the future will make it harder and harder for new players to jump in the game and feel like they have a chance. All of a sudden they will be seeing more and more cards played that they have no chance of getting without spending real money, and only because they weren't around as long as other people who happened to be playing the game during more promotions.

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    First off I have 1 question. Has this card been made and ready to ship out? If the answer is no; why not have the card say " 1 copy in your deck." From what I can find of this card; it does not seem to be OP.

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    the 1000cc what I'm going to think of as a joke aside mainly because the best reasons have been given already I'm personally compelled to agree with these two here as they are IMHO the best reasons given so far and I would have been a little less insulting about the Black Lotus MTG card even though Warr Byrd is right that card IS banned from official MTG tournaments. I say this from a totally bias stand point because I honestly dont see myself running out and playing the physical version of this game anytime soon. The farther of 2 sons digital is the best way to ensure the money I put into the game doesn't end up torn up, have something spilt on them etc anyway I totally agree with Wulven that this decision is in the best interest of ALL players old, new and still to come!

    Quote Originally Posted by Warr Byrd View Post
    To the idiots comparing it to Black Lotus:

    First, Corrupted Angel is a promotional card, whereas Black Lotus and the rest of the Power Nine were normal print cards. In most TCGs, there is a difference in playability of these two groups of cards. Many TCGs ban promo cards from tournaments unless they are reprints or alternative arts of normal cards.

    Second, Corrupted Angel has a limited print run of 10,000 (only to be expanded if Alliance's inability to function results in customers being unable to get the cards they are supposed to receive). There were originally many more copies of Black Lotus, not to mention that it was printed in two different sets.

    Third, Black Lotus is either restricted or banned from every Magic-sanctioned tournament format, so you aren't helping your argument anyways.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keaven View Post
    1. Having a different card pool to the digital version is the most important reason IMO. I like that Wulven is keeping the digital and physical versions identical, and hope this continues.
    2. Given it's limited availability it is unfair, and bad business, to exclude future players who might not have access to this card (or essentially force them to pay a higher price to be at no disadvantage).
    3. Whilst placeholder cards would negate number 2 this is not good business for official events.
    4. Everybody complaining about this decision has this card.
    5. DT are always right.
    6. New cards may make this card obsolete (or OP).
    7. It's not a PG13 card.
    8. Rules can be changed in the future to suit the competitive scene.

    I think the card should be allowed in official tournaments in the future only under one condition.

    A non foil version is released as part of a future set (both digital and physical). Without this, I am happy for it to remain banned.
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