Retreat! mechanics altering.

[Unruler]

I was thinking what could be done to increase viability of friendly ally attachments in the game, because right now cards as Retreat! completely nullify usefulness of attached to ally cards.

My idea is to retreat cards with friendly attachments to hand, or at least retreat attachment separately to hand, and not sending it to the graveyard.

[Xenil]

This is an idea I see myself agreeing with wholeheartedly. Friendly ally attachments aren't all that viable atm, although they could be quite strong. +5 health, +2 attack, can make a big difference; however, retreat is able to not only destroy those cards... but make the ally they're on disappear as well.

Considering its cost is only 2, it's kind of a bit much for one card.

[LARKEN]

In the name of balance its never going to work.... Sry.

It's a valid point but what you are suggesting is nullifying a lot of value in a whole lot of card play. Where do you draw the line with this buff/nerf? Just retreat, or with dagger of unmaking? Nova? Are you suggesting for every attachment on a allie that dies or retreats that attachment goes back? Or just for retreat? If its just for retreat it's not worth the change as retreat works fine, if your suggesting a wider change then hopefully my other suggestions have argued why it's not possible.

I would suggest thinking from the other side... How about a piece of armour or weapon that has this ability ' any lost attachments go back to hand'?

It's always about balance.

[Unruler]

In the name of balance its never going to work.... Sry.

It's a valid point but what you are suggesting is nullifying a lot of value in a whole lot of card play. Where do you draw the line with this buff/nerf? Just retreat, or with dagger of unmaking? Nova? Are you suggesting for every attachment on a allie that dies or retreats that attachment goes back? Or just for retreat? If its just for retreat it's not worth the change as retreat works fine, if your suggesting a wider change then hopefully my other suggestions have argued why it's not possible.

I would suggest thinking from the other side... How about a piece of armour or weapon that has this ability ' any lost attachments go back to hand'?

It's always about balance.

Well, it will work for any effect that returns ally to owner's hand. It will work only with friendly attachments.

Think about it: ally goes to the hand, but why attachment goes to GY? It's illogical. In terms of balance it nullifies usefulness of friendly attachments...

[Airact]

Well, it will work for any effect that returns ally to owner's hand. It will work only with friendly attachments.

Think about it: ally goes to the hand, but why attachment goes to GY? It's illogical. In terms of balance it nullifies usefulness of friendly attachments...

It's not illogical. Attachment =/= Ally. Retreat states that it returns an ally to it's controller's hand.

The attachment has been played on the board and it doesn't go back to it's controllers hand because of it not being an ally therefore it goes to the GY because it doesn't have anything to attach to.

How to fix the case of attachments being useless? Make Retreat-type of effects useless or add "cannot be put back to hand" to the ally with an attachment.

If there are separate cards made to bounce attachments back to hand, yeah it's cool. Nothing against that.

[Unruler]

The attachment has been played on the board and it doesn't go back to it's controllers hand because of it not being an ally therefore it goes to the GY because it doesn't have anything to attach to.

Than make it go to your hand with that attachment on your card, it's also the possibility. I may be a little bit awkward to realize though.

How to fix the case of attachments being useless? Make Retreat-type of effects useless or add "cannot be put back to hand" to the ally with an attachment.

Are you suggesting any attachment will block retreats? Imho, it's way too OP...

If there are separate cards made to bounce attachments back to hand, yeah it's cool. Nothing against that.

I don't think this will be useful.

[Seth]

Ally-based attachments are already useful. Bounce effects (this is what "retreat" type mechanics are generally called in TCGs) are a good counter to them. I suspect as we go down into the future, the design team will even start putting out new, more powerful attachments now that Sever Ties exists. I'm not too worried about this.

[GustCM2]

Unruler, what about negative attachments?
Your suggestion includes Crippling Blow and Captured Prey right? Would you enjoy retreating your crippled ally and giving the Crippling Blow back to your opponent's hand?

[Unruler]

Unruler, what about negative attachments?
Your suggestion includes Crippling Blow and Captured Prey right? Would you enjoy retreating your crippled ally and giving the Crippling Blow back to your opponent's hand?

No, I was talking only about friendly attachments, that you cast on your own units. Negative attachments is ok as they are now.

[Preybird]

No, I was talking only about friendly attachments, that you cast on your own units. Negative attachments is ok as they are now.

Unfortunately it has to be one way or the other Unruler. Sucks I know, but I actually prefer it the way it is.