Wulven players, do you plan to use new Pack Alpha and Fangs of the Predator

[Caitlyn0]

Pack Alpha should cost 3 as I've said numerous times before and give +2/+2 bonuses to a Wulven ally. But, I think the card should be changed into an ally in the next set, too late for that now. I'll probably do some testing with it to see if I can make Wulven Tracker survive a gauntlet of mage spells Fangs of the Predator is still useless when compared to Bloodlust and Full Moon, more so because of the new item destroy cards (Ley Line Nexus will probably be used more than Acid Jet in Shadow decks).

wow, what a nice idea for pack alpha.


as for using it on wulven tracker... why? cast a second wulven tracker for 4cc. now they have to get rid of 2 cards seperately instead of together.

i would rather have a cheaper 2cc pumpable puwen next to my wulven tracker than a 4cc puwen riding his back.

[GS]

Now I have a mental image of a pack wolf riding on top of a tracker...

Bestality anyone?

Or is it just animal sex when it's two werewolves?

[Atomzed]

Pack Alpha should cost 3 as I've said numerous times before and give +2/+2 bonuses to a Wulven ally. But, I think the card should be changed into an ally in the next set, too late for that now.

Actually, we did test that. In one of the iterations, Pack Alphas cost 3 and give 2/2 (i think).

The problem is that a T2 Pack Wolf, T3 Pack alpha instantly convert Pack Wolf into a 4/4 ally, which can kill most of the 3cc ally. That was a huge advantage.

[LARKEN]

Actually, we did test that. In one of the iterations, Pack Alphas cost 3 and give 2/2 (i think).

The problem is that a T2 Pack Wolf, T3 Pack alpha instantly convert Pack Wolf into a 4/4 ally, which can kill most of the 3cc ally. That was a huge advantage.

+1 as he said

[ericxp]

Actually, we did test that. In one of the iterations, Pack Alphas cost 3 and give 2/2 (i think).

The problem is that a T2 Pack Wolf, T3 Pack alpha instantly convert Pack Wolf into a 4/4 ally, which can kill most of the 3cc ally. That was a huge advantage.

If you think it's a huge advantage, what about T2 Blake Windrunner + T3 Aldon the Brave? Even Pack Wolf + Pack Alpha has T3 advantage, then many cards and hero ability can destroy this advantage, need I example again? Retreat / Crippling Blow / Assassination / Fireball / Now You're Mine / Eladwen / Logan / Boris / Amber, and so on, all can handle this case in T4, maybe T3 is enough. This make wulven not lost 1 card, it's two! So I don't think this give wulven a long advantage.

[ericxp]

+1 as he said

Yes, T3 a 4/4 ally, but that also mean wulven give up put another ally in T3. There only 1 Pack Wolf on board, at most 2 (a Fire Snake). And when you kill this 4/4 ally, you not destroy 1 card/ally, you destroy 2! Do you still think it's unfair/imbalance?

[Atomzed]

Of course, we know about all the possible 1 card counters that can kill off the pack-alpha Pack wolf. That was 1 angle that was looked at too.

But at the same time, those counters also means that the opponent loses tempo.

In one of my MS deck, I had all Wulven allies with Pack alpha. If I go 2nd, I will place pack wolf at T2. Then depending on the opponent moves, I can choose to put out a T3 Bad wolf or T3 pack alpha. So if at T4, they CB/ CP/ retreat my Pack-alpha pack wolf, they lose a chance to put out an ally too. While at T4 I can put out a Bad wolf / Wulven tracker to take advantage of his loss of tempo.

TL; DR. Pack alpha at 3cc was not OP, but makes it difficult to balance. In the end, the entire Wulven class was looked at holistically and the final decision is to change it to 4cc, which was still 1cc lower than the current one.

It may not be the best decision for Pack alpha, but we... Ok I personally hope it's the best decision for SE.

That's what balance is all about, you look at the whole set in entirety and never at individual cards in isolation.

[Paradise]

"Rapid analysis, accurate judgement, and superb powers of concentration...That is all we need." - Lezard Valeth

A bit off track but VP = win

[Plague]

I generally agree with Atomzed's view on Pack Alpha but I still think the 3cc Pack Alpha would be better than the current version. As for the future versions of the card I think there are two possibilities: Pack Alpha gets turned into a Wulven War Banner item which Calmdown said was a no-no, and the second possibility is it gets turned into an ally ( I was thinking maybe like a Wulven version of Undead Warchief from M:TG minus the allies cost 1 less to play ability).

[Jukeboxer]

You could have said that in the first place, instead of being rude. It was your bad. Apology accepted.