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    Logan 100

    i was gonna wait to post this deck till i tested it more, but it is doing well and we have been talking about deck size a fair amount recently so i thought, what the hell... i will post the one that is doing well. i am happy with the build. i am working on a couple of others and you may or may not see them, but here is the big guy himself, LOGAN


    LOGAN 100

    total cards plus hero = 101
    ("the WALL of TEXT" deck)


    4x keldor
    4x gargoyle
    4x brutalis
    4x plasma behemoth
    4x fire snake
    4x belladonna
    4x medusil
    2x hellsteed
    2x dark flayer
    4x deathmage
    4x shadow knight

    4x dual wield
    4x war banner
    4x smashing blow
    4x enrage
    4x crippling blow
    2x rampage
    4x blood frenzy
    3x shriek
    3x acidjet
    4x bazaar
    4x bad santa
    4x king's pride
    2x dimension ripper
    4x berserker's edge
    4x jeweler's dream
    4x rusty longsword
    2x uprooted tree


    throwing cards into a deck and unknowingly getting the percentages right must be a gift for some new players. its rather difficult to do it watching the percentages. some of them had to be fudged a little (like with crippling blow, i didnt want to add rain storm or shield bash for added ally control, but then, some cards serve a dual function. plus there is logan's ability... and like KP. i only had 1 in my 40 so therefore needed 2.5... instead i added 4 instead of 3 as it will serve more than one function)

    still other percentages are off as well. more 3cc allies than 2.5 what i had in my 40 logan but only by 1. i had no 4cc allies but bella fills in for card draw slots i needed. have to look at the circular picture.

    so there you have it, nothing overly special, just a 2.5 40 card deck. have fun
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    yes, its a percentage/statistical thing.

    say you have 4 3cc allies in a 40 card deck. that would translate to needing 10 3cc allies in a 100 card deck to have the same draw percentage for 3cc allies. you have 6 3cc allies, then you would need 15 in a 100 card deck. you have to forget specific cards somewhat... you can have 4 jasmine in a deck but you cant have 10, but you can have 10 total allies that are 3cc. so it would be 4 jas, 4 aldon and.. uh, haha 2 dirks

    same with the other cards but you have to look at them a little different as its hard to find another crippling blow, so instead you go for other ally control options. sometimes this is hard. sometimes its easy. item destruction isnt so hard for a shadow warrior but would be near impossible for some other heroes, mages in particular. you have 4 item "destruction" cards in a eladwen 40 deck, you would then need 10 in a 100 card eladwen deck... kind of impossible at the moment.

    you just have to work at it. take your best 40 card deck and basically duplicate it as best as possible 2.5 times (plus you never have to worry about milling out)
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    yerah, well, the rolling pin is Kyle's right? i didnt want to encrouch on that :P

    and i have never seen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn0 View Post
    yes, its a percentage/statistical thing.

    say you have 4 3cc allies in a 40 card deck. that would translate to needing 10 3cc allies in a 100 card deck to have the same draw percentage for 3cc allies.
    False.

    Chances to have at least 1 3cc ally in first seven cards are:
    53,3% in case of 40 card (excluding hero) deck with 4 3cc allies cards
    55,2% in case of 100 card (excluding hero) deck with 10 3cc allies cards

    Edit: order is wrong, the lower chance should be for 100 card deck.
    Last edited by Fate's Whisper; 12-16-2011 at 10:11 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn0 View Post
    yerah, well, the rolling pin is Kyle's right? i didnt want to encrouch on that :P

    and i have never seen it.
    From what I know it's MattOG's (http://www.shadowera.com/blog.php?10...ogcategoryid=5).
    Then it was reinvented in 1.277 by Kent (http://www.shadowera.com/showthread.php?7913)

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    @fate's whisper,

    At T3, you will have 8 cards in your hand. Not 7. You only need the 3cc allies at T3, not earlier.

    The correct percentages for drawing at least 1 (which could include 1 or 2 or 3, etc...) 3 cc ally are:

    - for a 40 card deck including hero, with 4x 3cc allies are 61.74%

    - for a 100 card deck including hero, with 10x 3cc allies are 58.74%
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    My point was to show using numbers, that Caitlyn0's reasoning wasn't correct - the need for 3cc ally card in first/second turn was irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fate's Whisper View Post
    My point was to show using numbers, that Caitlyn0's reasoning wasn't correct - the need for 3cc ally card in first/second turn was irrelevant.
    Even then you got the probability wrong.

    For 40 card deck at T2 , the probability is 56.2%.

    For a 100 card deck at T2, the prob is 53.7%.

    Anyway this is not to support Caitlyn0 deck. The deck will not work bec it only looks at the deck probability on the whole deck level. With such a huge deck it's entirely possible to draw 5x 5cc allies on first hand, screwing you big time. The deck is terribly inconsistent.
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