Kairos Doombringer needs a change.

Been trying to incorporate him into a deck but i cant see to make it work.
Anyone using him out there?
He needs a change?
Maybe also make him untargetable?

He is honestly not terrible, but didn't age well once SF was releases. If you really want running him in elementalis is probably valid again better steadfast is relevant there and with UD being so common 4 damage is enough to kill things again.

He really just needs a meta where 4/7 stats are decent and steadfast matters. There are a lot of fatties that are not really used, I'd honestly say Kairos is probably on the stronger end of those.

Kairos is pretty solid with Vess and Gravebone when I tried him out.

He is poorly designed. But if you wanna play him, t5 5cc good weapon into t6 kairos is the best option. Try it out with heroes with good weapons (like baduruu or Logan).

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Originally Posted by Kylt

He is poorly designed. But if you wanna play him, t5 5cc good weapon into t6 kairos is the best option. Try it out with heroes with good weapons (like baduruu or Logan).

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Ill give it a try.
Was trying to use him with gravebone but its to easy to stop him, mc him, etc. Not like dakarath so dakarath for 1 more resource is much better choice.

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Originally Posted by Fristar

Been trying to incorporate him into a deck but i cant see to make it work.
Anyone using him out there?
He needs a change?
Maybe also make him untargetable?

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Untargetable sounds like "hidden" to me which is a mechanic only granted by four cards. Making Kairos hidden would make him grossly overpowered imo. On the flip side however, one would not be able to buff him through targeting. Either way, I doubt we'll ever see a fatty who is permanently hidden.

Now admittedly I don't notice him used in many decks or effectively for that matter. As others have mentionned, he can be used with the following heroes/classes and then perhaps some of these complimentary cards:

Gravebone:
- Shadow Font => You can revive him using Gravebone's hero ability for a cost of 4CC rather then having several 6CC Kairos

Vess Swifthands: (or other Warrior)
- Mocking Armor =>Draw the attention away from Kairos and to your hero therefore activating Kairos ability
(optional) - Smith Shop => Get Mocking Armor on the board at turn 5 to set up for Kairos
- Ellos' Resolve => Give Kairos some extra protection along with a small buff
(optional) - Bloodthirsty => Can give you some nice drawing power especially if you got Mocking Armor out.

Elementalis: (or other Elemental)
- Mocking Armor => see above
- Synchronicity => Gives a nice 2CC option to return Kairos to your hand (following turn) if he has been Crippling Blow 'ed or is in a near death situation. Plus you can wipe pretty much any baddy off the board, even that annoying Aeon.
(optional) - Bloodthirsty => see above
(optional) - Life Infusion => ramp up that HP!

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Originally Posted by Fristar

...its to easy to stop him, mc him, etc. Not like dakarath so dakarath for 1 more resource is much better choice.

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If you are referring to Mind Control then no ally is safe making Dakrath no different than Kairos. However Dak does have the upper hand when it comes to damage and impairment resistance. Personally I think it's all about trying to get an ally's ability(ies) to serve your advantage and deck synergy.

Is Kairos the best? No. Can he be used effectively in his current state? I believe so. He's perhaps just a bit less versatile or appealing than other 6+CC's.

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Originally Posted by Creyos

Untargetable sounds like "hidden" to me which is a mechanic only granted by four cards. Making Kairos hidden would make him grossly overpowered imo. On the flip side however, one would not be able to buff him through targeting. Either way, I doubt we'll ever see a fatty who is permanently hidden.

Now admittedly I don't notice him used in many decks or effectively for that matter. As others have mentionned, he can be used with the following heroes/classes and then perhaps some of these complimentary cards:

Gravebone:
- Shadow Font => You can revive him using Gravebone's hero ability for a cost of 4CC rather then having several 6CC Kairos

Vess Swifthands: (or other Warrior)
- Mocking Armor =>Draw the attention away from Kairos and to your hero therefore activating Kairos ability
(optional) - Smith Shop => Get Mocking Armor on the board at turn 5 to set up for Kairos
- Ellos' Resolve => Give Kairos some extra protection along with a small buff
(optional) - Bloodthirsty => Can give you some nice drawing power especially if you got Mocking Armor out.

Elementalis: (or other Elemental)
- Mocking Armor => see above
- Synchronicity => Gives a nice 2CC option to return Kairos to your hand (following turn) if he has been Crippling Blow 'ed or is in a near death situation. Plus you can wipe pretty much any baddy off the board, even that annoying Aeon.
(optional) - Bloodthirsty => see above
(optional) - Life Infusion => ramp up that HP!

As per below...


If you are referring to Mind Control then no ally is safe making Dakrath no different than Kairos. However Dak does have the upper hand when it comes to damage and impairment resistance. Personally I think it's all about trying to get an ally's ability(ies) to serve your advantage and deck synergy.

Is Kairos the best? No. Can he be used effectively in his current state? I believe so. He's perhaps just a bit less versatile or appealing than other 6+CC's.

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Make him like a 2/7 cost 5 warrior that attacked any ally or hero who attacks his hero.

Completely agreed with this post. He is totally meant to be used with mocking armour.That way he gets ‘hidden’ as you guys were saying.

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Originally Posted by Creyos

Untargetable sounds like "hidden" to me which is a mechanic only granted by four cards. Making Kairos hidden would make him grossly overpowered imo. On the flip side however, one would not be able to buff him through targeting. Either way, I doubt we'll ever see a fatty who is permanently hidden.

Now admittedly I don't notice him used in many decks or effectively for that matter. As others have mentionned, he can be used with the following heroes/classes and then perhaps some of these complimentary cards:

Gravebone:
- Shadow Font => You can revive him using Gravebone's hero ability for a cost of 4CC rather then having several 6CC Kairos

Vess Swifthands: (or other Warrior)
- Mocking Armor =>Draw the attention away from Kairos and to your hero therefore activating Kairos ability
(optional) - Smith Shop => Get Mocking Armor on the board at turn 5 to set up for Kairos
- Ellos' Resolve => Give Kairos some extra protection along with a small buff
(optional) - Bloodthirsty => Can give you some nice drawing power especially if you got Mocking Armor out.

Elementalis: (or other Elemental)
- Mocking Armor => see above
- Synchronicity => Gives a nice 2CC option to return Kairos to your hand (following turn) if he has been Crippling Blow 'ed or is in a near death situation. Plus you can wipe pretty much any baddy off the board, even that annoying Aeon.
(optional) - Bloodthirsty => see above
(optional) - Life Infusion => ramp up that HP!

As per below...


If you are referring to Mind Control then no ally is safe making Dakrath no different than Kairos. However Dak does have the upper hand when it comes to damage and impairment resistance. Personally I think it's all about trying to get an ally's ability(ies) to serve your advantage and deck synergy.

Is Kairos the best? No. Can he be used effectively in his current state? I believe so. He's perhaps just a bit less versatile or appealing than other 6+CC's.

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Some interesting points. I like the idea of Synchronicity. You just have to remember that Kairos has “steadfast” so you are not able to pull this off.

There never was a spot for Kairos to shine. I do not think there ever will be tbh. Especially with the allies that have been released since. There are simply better options with better abilities available for the same cost.